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September 8 on the stage in Bologna there was also Marco Travaglio. He got a reception like that of U2, Bruce Springsteen e Vasco Rossi all together. He was even a bit shocked… Have a look at the young men and women in Piazza Maggiore in the video. It’s really great.

“Now I want to present to you who I’d want for a Minister of Justice: Marco Travaglio! You’re even a rock star now!”

“Good evening… Good evening… I’m frightened… don’t do that or I’ll be frightened to speak… I’m pleased to be talking with other journalists because journalists are not a very popular group of people, and rightly so. I represent a profession of newspaper journalists who have written practically nothing about this day and thus they will be obliged to chase it up in the next few days because they hadn’t realised what was happening, as often happens, but I can assure you that we are not all like that. One example is Ferruccio, Massimo is more than a journalist. I would like to remind you of Lirio Abbate, a journalist from Palermo under threat from the mafia because he has written the book "I complici" {The accomplices} with Peter Gomez which names those who are mafia accomplices. The fact that the mafia has straight away identified him does not say much for the profession of journalists because it means that many of them have never named those people, otherwise the mafia would have to threaten everyone and even they wouldn’t be able to.
There’s much talk of the rule of law, of the certainty of the sentence, of zero tolerance. It’s even been talked about today. And naturally so, who doesn’t agree? They are all great things. In fact Previti was sentenced to 7 and a half years in prison and he served 4 and a half days in prison. Out of 7and a half years, just 4 and a half days. To release him, (well he was already out of prison as he was under house arrest), they released about 50,000 last year, a clever move if you think about it: to free one person, you release 50,000 so it goes unnoticed that he was set free. It would have been better to say “let’s release him and keep the others inside”, but we are administered by people who are very astute. […]
I don’t want to add anything about Mastella because he has been dealt with quite enough during the day but I would like to point out that .. if it’s true: he’s never been dealt with enough… but no one remembers, and it says so in the book by Abbate and Gomez, that Mastella is a talent scout. He had noticed a very promising lad in Villabate, in the province of Palermo: he was leader of the local council of Villabate and the council was dissolved because of the mafia. Then the council was re-formed and he was leader once more. It was dissolved again. This lad is called Francesco Campanella and he’s the right hand man of the Villabate boss called Nino Mandalà. Then, in his spare time, he was a politician in the local council in the UDEUR naturally. Mastella wanted to reward him because this lad deserved a prize, so he made him the national secretary of the young UDEUR. I don’t know whether the young UDEUR people exist, but the national secretary exists and he is Campanella. Campanella is now in prison because he is a mafia man and when he got married, he had as witnesses on one side Mastella and on the other Totò Cuffaro. Just think what a marriage: in the middle a mafia man, and on one side the future Minister of Justice and on the other the future Governor of Sicily.
[…] Minister Amato is offering himself as Italy’s Rudolph Giuliani. Grillo has told you where he comes from: he wasn’t the New York prosecutor but Craxi’s right hand man and he never understood where he was. Then there’s a tiny “Amatino”, a tiny Rudy Giuliani, a certain town council cabinet member Cioni, that you have never had the luck to have but the people of Florence have. He’s D’Alema’s head in Florence, and yet suddenly given that his wife was insulted by a windscreen washer, has ordered that anyone washing windscreens is committing a crime. What’s the crime? The lack of respect of an order by the mayor. Now it’s not easy to understand which windows can still be washed in Florence. Just imagine someone who is washing the windscreen of his own car: in theory he too is doing what is forbidden, with the hose pipe on a Sunday. It’s not easy to understand where the crime is in washing windscreens. There are those who say: “but the windscreen washers threaten you” well that is the crime of threatening behaviour so there’s no need for an order. “Well that one scratches your car”, criminal damage is already forbidden. The act of washing windscreens cannot be a crime. […]
I’ll finish. Why do they start from window washers? Because if they started from the top like Rudy Giuliani did they would empty the Parliament, they would half the antiMafia commission, they would empty Confindustria, several associations would loose many of their important people. […]
It is not useless what we are doing because Previti when, after fifteen months, he was finally sent out of Parliament at the beginning of August, he gave an interview to a newspaper and said: “Do you know who sent me out of Parliament? Travaglio and Grillo”. I must say that before that I felt very useless; but from when Previti has given me this beautiful acknowledgment I feel a little less useless!
It means that we must continue on this track and things will happen. For the rest, we hope that Cuffaro and Dell’Utri will wash some windows and therefore we will see them too in jail. Good evening, ciao!“ Marco Travaglio

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3 October 2007
Travaglio for Minister of Justice
Marco Travaglio was also on the stage in Bologna on 8 September. The crowd welcomed him like they would U2, Bruce Springsteen and Vasco Rossi put together and he was even a bit shocked. Have a look at the video and all the young men and women in Piazza Maggiore. It’s really great.

“Now, I want to present to you the man I would like as the next Minister of Justice: Marco Travaglio!

You’re even a rock star now!”

"Good evening... (loud applause)

Good evening (loud applause)... please, please don’t … I won’t be able to speak … I am pleased to be here to speak together with some other journalists because journalists have not been a very popular group in the past and rightly so. They are representative of a newspaper media, which has until now, written very little about this special day but will certainly be forced to follow very closely in the next few days because they simply weren’t aware of what was happening. This often happens but I can assure you, we are not all like that. One example is Ferruccio De Bortoli and Massimo Fini is more than just a journalist. Then there is also Lirio Abbate, a journalist in Palermo who is living under threat from the Mafia for having jointly written "I complici" [The Accomplices”] with Peter Gomez, a book that features the names of the Mafia’s accomplices. The fact that the Mafia had pinpointed him immediately does not say much in favour of journalists in general because this means that they have never named any of those names. Otherwise, all of them would have to be threatened and even the Mafia wouldn’t be able to manage that.

There is much talk of legality, certainty in sentencing and zero tolerance. It was even talked about today and naturally, who wouldn’t agree? This is all just too good to be true. In fact, Cesare Previti was sentenced to seven and a half years in jail and managed to serve just four and a half days. So as to be able to free him, even though he was already relatively free but under house arrest, they released nearly 50.000 prisoners last year. If you think about it, given that they probably thought that by releasing 50,000 no one would notice that they had released him in particular, this was a rather astute move on their part. It would have been better to say, “We are releasing him but the others will remain in jail,” but of course, we are governed by people who are very astute.

Naturally, if certainty of sentencing did exist, the sentence would be served in jail and not in Parliament but unfortunately, the opposite is true. If words had a true meaning, Giulio Andreotti wouldn’t be called Senator for Life. Parolee for Life would be more appropriate because he was released but not acquitted. If legality was part of the value system, there wouldn’t be any roads named after Bettino Craxi. However, as Claudio Sabelli Fioretti suggested, if they really wanted to name a road after him, it should be a tangenziale [ring road] so that at least one could be reminded of his tangente [payoff] activities.

It happened just this summer. The incident involved the Honourable Cosimo Mele, that genius who chose to participate in the “Family Day” event although he has two families (and naturally two wives) and when he goes with call girls, he indulges in two of those too. It was discovered that before he became a parliamentarian and was just the Deputy Mayor of his town. He was arrested and charged for bribery and corruption because he had been accepting payoffs and would then head off to the Casino in Monte Carlo to gamble them away. As soon as this promising young man caught Pier Ferdinando Casini’s eye, he immediately recruited him to join the UDC [Union of Christian and Centre Democrats] and quickly included him on the list of candidates for a secure spot in Parliament. However, as soon as he learned that Mele was going out whoring, he expelled him from the Party. Therefore, the moral of the story is: you’re welcome to steal as much as you want but you must not go out whoring and if you do … don’t get caught! This is the lesson to be learned.

I don’t want to add anything more on Clemente Mastella because he has been manhandled quite enough today but I would like to point out that … yes, it’s true: one can never manhandle him too much ... but no one seems to remember that in the Abbate and Gomez book Mastella is a talent scout, just like Casini. When he was in Villabate in the Palermo Province, he noticed a very promising young man who had been the President of the Municipal Council of Villabate, which had been dismissed for Mafia-linked activities. The Council had been formed once again with him as the President and dismissed yet again. This young man’s name is Francesco Campanella and he was the right-hand-man to Villabate’s “boss” whose name was Nino Mandalà. In his free time, Campanella was a politician in the Municipal Council, representing the Union of Democrats for Europe Party (UDEUR), of course. Mastella decided to reward him because this young man deserved a prize so he made him National Secretary of the Young People’s Branch of the UDEUR Party. I don’t know whether these young people exist in the UDEUR party but the National Secretary does and it’s Campanella. Campanella is now in jail because he is a Mafioso and when he got married, as best man he had Mastella on one side and Totò Cuffaro on the other. Just think: a wedding where there is a Mafioso in the middle and the future Minister for Justice and the future Governor of Sicily on either side. Just recently, the Mayor of a small town near Naples was caught speeding in his car at 200 Km per hour. He was arrested and an attempt was made to take some points off his licence. Naturally, he responded, "You don’t know who I am!" The policeman said, "I know full well who you are. You’re the Mayor of that little town.” "I shall refer this to my Secretary who is also the Minister for Justice," responded the Mayor in a threatening voice, after which he asked, "What police corps do you belong to?" "We are of the Carabinieri," replied one of the policemen. "Well, bad luck! I had decided to build a new barracks for the Carabinieri and now I won’t do it." This is yet another representative of our Minister for Justice’s political party.

And here I shall refrain from going any further because Mr. Mastella deserves respect. He was recently subjected to a rather despicable attack. He was sleeping below deck on Diego Della Valle’s yacht when, in an act of treachery, a terrorist slipped the moorings on the vessel, which then went adrift. What I mean is; if you think about it, one would have to be really stupid to do such a thing. Fancy attacking Mastella when he’s actually not doing any harm because he is sleeping! Why not let him sleep and hope that this hibernation will last as long as possible! Instead, they went and woke him up so that he could get back to creating havoc.
I shall say another couple of things and take my leave. Since you’ve already been standing for a few hours, I should think you must be exhausted. In the last few days, much has been said about Rudolph Giuliani, who has a reputation by the way, but in Italy we only half know him. We only remember him as the Mayor of New York who tracked down graffiti artists and shop-window vandals. We have forgotten the other side of Giuliani who was once a New York Public Prosecutor who worked with Giovanni Falcone in putting away all the American Mafia bosses and when he finished with them, he focussed on financial crime and jailed all the bosses of the New York Stock Exchange. If you have seen the film "Wall Street" with Michael Douglas, you know what I am talking about. There you saw all the bankers, one after the other, ending up in jail and because the so-called “indulto” or general pardon does not exist in that context, once they are imprisoned, they stay there. America considers business conspiracies to be a serious issue. There are people there who were sentenced to 90 years in the Enron scandal. In Italy, if you are really unlucky, the maximum sentence for financial crime is a position as President of the Council of Ministers. The situation here is very different. When Rudolph Giuliani became the Mayor of New York he was well-known for having caught Mafia bosses and dishonest bankers and that is why he was able to turn his attention to shop-window vandals with credibility.

Now I would like to attract some catcalls because I have had enough applause. Sergio Cofferati may have a lot of faults but he didn’t begin his battles on the rules of law when he became the Mayor of Bologna. When he was General Secretary of the CGIL [Italian General Confederation of Labour], he organised three million people to fill the streets in protest against any move to amend Article 18 of the Labour Law and its “easy dismissals” provision, which at the time was only applicable to businesses employing less than 15 employees. This should never be forgotten because it’s a little different to certain other Mayors who have recently made washing windscreens at traffic-lights illegal, whilst at the same time, they have allowed an individual such as Salvatore Ligresti who has two convictions for bribery, to become involved in their cities’ affairs. The Mayors I am referring to are the Mayor of Turin, Sergio Chiamparino and the Mayor of Florence, Leonardo Domenici.

Minister Giuliano Amato aspires to be Italy’s Rudolph Giuliani. Grillo has already told you about his background. He wasn’t a Public Prosecutor in New York but Bettino Craxi’s right-hand man and was never really sure where he stood. Then there is the Amato with a lower-case ‘a’ or Rudy Giuliani of smaller aspirations called Graziano Cioni, a Town Councillor you are not lucky enough to have but the residents of Florence are. He is the head of the D’Alema faction of the Democrats of the left in Florence who all of a sudden, because his wife was insulted by a windscreen-washer in the street, decided to issue a Council ordinance prohibiting anyone from washing windows in the street. What is the crime? Apparently, it’s failure to comply with a Mayoral ordinance. So now it’s not clear which windscreens can still be washed in Florence. Just imagine, in theory, anyone who washes the windscreen on one’s car on a Sunday with a garden-hose could be liable. It is difficult to understand how washing a windscreen could be considered a crime. Some say that the windscreen washers are often intimidating but to threaten someone is already a crime or that same individual could scratch your car but doing damage to someone else’s property is already illegal so in either case, there is no need for a Council ordinance. The act of washing the windscreen of a car cannot be considered a crime so what have they done? They have specified that “car windscreens cannot be washed at traffic-lights.” In response, a Lega Nord Town Councillor in Treviso has since claimed that up there they have already resolved the window-washer problem by eliminating traffic-lights and have replaced them with roundabouts so how will these people be able to wash windscreens? That’s true but I’ve already seen some of them on roller-skates.

We journalists are very good at ignoring things when it comes to whether the ordinance was issued by the Right or the Left, whether Councillor Cioni is going to be the new Giuliani or whether it was the Fascists or the Communists who got rid of the windscreen-washers. No one appears to have wondered whether the ordinance has achieved the purpose for which it was intended or not. All I can tell you is that anyone who violates the Mayor of Florence’s regulation will be under arrest for a maximum of three months without remand but after the trial! Therefore, one must catch the window-washer red-handed with his little sponge, seize that sponge and his little bucket and take them all to the Court’s Criminal Evidence Section, which will become a storage shed, commence a preliminary investigation, obtain a preliminary hearing and finally, have the actual trial. In the meantime, one must hope that the window-washer will remain seated on that bench in front of the court-house waiting for the verdict because if he disappears, you will never catch him again. Obviously, you don’t know his name or where he lives. The legal proceedings carry on for up to ten years, they employ a dozen or so judges, public prosecutors, lawyers, clerks of the court, policemen and in the end what happens? If the window-washer is still there waiting, you inform him that he has been given a suspended sentence of one month, which means he doesn’t go to jail, or he has to pay a fine. He tells you he has no means so he doesn’t even pay that. The result is that the Government has spent a huge amount of money in instituting legal proceedings and in the end, absolutely nothing is achieved. What is the one and only result? That Councillor Cioni ended up in the newspapers for a week where he was portrayed as the new Rudolph Giuliani and he didn’t resolve the problem in any way, shape or form! This is the reality.

So, how can these problems be resolved? With a lot of effort, by political means, by implementing useful regulations and by developing immigration policies, which include a requirement for integration or even policies of restraint to be applied to illegal immigrants enabling the authorities to identify them through fingerprints. If taking fingerprints of illegal immigrants is deemed as being racist, then all Italians should be fingerprinted and each one’s DNA should also be collected so that everyone has his/her own name and won’t be able to give false details when the need arises. This is done by investing money and not by ending up in the print-media. As far as integration policies are concerned, even Gianfranco Fini has made a proposal that would give immigrants who are not yet Italian citizens the right to vote in local government elections. Concerned about the protests emanating from the Lega Nord Party and from the grassroots of his own Alleanza Nazionale, Romano La Russa pointed out that the most important thing was that the non-EU immigrant should not have any convictions or any pending proceedings. This, in a country like Norway, could be considered a perfect method for resolving the problem. However, when it comes to Italy, what language would you use to explain to a non-EU immigrant that in order to elect a previously convicted offender you must not have any previous convictions yourself?

In conclusion, I must ask. Why have they started such a process with windscreen-washers and street vendors? I would say that it’s because if they began from the top, like Rudy Giuliani did, there would be no one left in Parliament, half of the Anti-Mafia Commission would go, Confindustria would no longer exist and neither would the various industry sector associations, which are made up of very important people. Why do you think Luca di Montezemolo wants to deal with those who pay protection money and not those who pay bribes? Well, no one knows just who is paying protection money so there would be no need to act anyway. Consequently, just like Councillor Cioni, Montezemolo has ended up in the papers, he got some favourable publicity and it cost him absolutely nothing.

I would like to mention Cesare Geronzi, the Chairman of the Audit Committee of Mediobanca, who has more pending criminal proceedings in his name than hairs on his head. He is currently awaiting trial for his involvement in the Parmalat and Cirio scandals, has been convicted pending appeal in the Italcase-Bagaglino bankruptcy case and is now the accused in a usury case in Palmi. This is what the Chairman of the Audit Committee of Mediobanca gets up to. No one, except for Antonio Di Pietro, has asked for his resignation. This is the type of person on whom we should be imposing zero tolerance, if only we had the ability to do so.

One last thing, what we are doing today is not useless. There are small signs of change. In Venosa, the local tourist office gave 6,000 Euro of public money to photographer Fabrizio Corona to attend the “Notte Bianca” event. Three thousand people against this move collected signatures and took to the streets in protest against this scoundrel. Hurray for the young people in Venosa!

Valentino Rossi is sponsored by Fastweb. In August during the peak of summer holiday time, after it was discovered that Rossi owes 112 million Euro in tax, Fastweb was inundated with e-mails from young people who wrote, "We are going to change provider if you don’t withdraw Rossi’s sponsorship deal.” This is another good sign. Unfortunately, we journalists are still a little behind the eight ball. This evening, the TG1 and TG5 news programmes are not being aired but they have given Valentino Rossi the opportunity to transmit a message via their combined network from his fireplace in London. If Valentino Rossi was in America, he would be sending his combined network message from Sing Sing in the hope that some television station would broadcast it and I am quite sure he wouldn’t find one.

What we are doing is not useless because after fifteen months, Cesare Previti was finally kicked out of Parliament at the beginning of August. He granted an interview to one of the newspapers and said, "Do you know who got me kicked out of Parliament? It was Travaglio and Grillo." I must say that before, I felt very useless but since Previti has given me such recognition, I feel a little less useless!

It means we have to keep harping on these issues and things happen. As far as the rest is concerned, let’s just hope that Salvatore Cuffaro and Marcello Dell'Utri are caught washing a windscreen somewhere and then we will see them in jail too. Have a good evening, ciao!" Marco Travaglio

Posted by: Adri Mian | October 29, 2007 01:56 PM

Sono perfettamente d'accordo !

Travaglio e' intelligentissimo, ha le palle, coraggio da vendere.

Vorrei poter lavorare con voi e per voi. Sono un architetto Italiano di 65 anni e sono stato in 85 paesi del mondo.

Ad esempio. Per eleiminare l'immenso gonfiarsi dei costi delle opere pubbliche, basterebbe una legge semplicissima. Per qualsiasi appalto si applicano le regole della Banca Mondiale. Semplici efficaci, veloci, certe, e che impediscono la revisione prezzi, con tangenti a consulenti, sindaci, assessori e quant'altro.

Io sono epsertissimo di queste procedure della Banca Mondiale perche' ho lavorato con le Nazioni Unite per 11 anni.

Beppe, formiamo "Il pertito degli Italiani', secondo quanto scritto nella tersa strofa dell'Inno di Mameli: Amiamoci, Uniamoci, Uniti per Dio chi vincer ci puo' ?"

Significa: facciamo branco, dove l'individuo difende il gruppo ed il gruppo difende l'individuo. Nel nome della nostra incredibile Cultura, della nostra Civilta' e della nostra Storia (Dio significa questo, non e' un clericale, Mameli...), siamo invincibili !

Basta con i Casini i Mastella, lasciando perdere i Silvi i Romani e quant'altgro.



Insieme a tutti "Noi",

Carlo Musso

Posted by: Carlo Musso | October 4, 2007 07:25 PM

Sono perfettamente d'accordo !

Travaglio e' intelligentissimo, ha le palle, coraggio da vendere.

Vorrei poter lavorare con voi e per voi. Sono un architetto Italiano di 65 anni e sono stato in 85 paesi del mondo.

Ad esempio. Per eleiminare l'immenso gonfiarsi dei costi delle opere pubbliche, basterebbe una legge semplicissima. Per qualsiasi appalto si applicano le regole della Banca Mondiale. Semplici efficaci, veloci, certe, e che impediscono la revisione prezzi, con tangenti a consulenti, sindaci, assessori e quant'altro.

Io sono epsertissimo di queste procedure della Banca Mondiale perche' ho lavorato con le Nazioni Unite per 11 anni.

Beppe, formiamo "Il pertito degli Italiani', secondo quanto scritto nella tersa strofa dell'Inno di Mameli: Amiamoci, Uniamoci, Uniti per Dio chi vincer ci puo' ?"

Significa: facciamo branco, dove l'individuo difende il gruppo ed il gruppo difende l'individuo. Nel nome della nostra incredibile Cultura, della nostra Civilta' e della nostra Storia (Dio significa questo, non e' un clericale, Mameli...), siamo invincibili !

Basta con i Casini i Mastella, lasciando perdere i Silvi i Romani e quant'altgro.



Insieme a tutti "Noi",

Carlo Musso

Posted by: Carlo Musso | October 4, 2007 07:24 PM

Be aware that this morning many videos showing interviews to Italian politicians and videos of Italian citizens expressing themselves on Italian politics have been removed from Youtube !!!!!!!!!
It seems that behind those disposals there were a request from RAI, the Italian broadcast television.
Personally I believe this is scandalous!, I thought that only in China or Burma the government tried to control the information or manipulate the world wide web.
I can't believe this is happening!

Posted by: francecso coppola | October 4, 2007 12:32 PM

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