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The 13th September 2006 represents a milestone in the history of the Italian information services. On that day, Raiotta was the first ever OGM newspaper vendor to be made news director for Rai 1. His ability to get his wires crossed with regard to information, and to convert news into propaganda have certainly taken him a long way up the ladder, or down the ladder, depending on your point of view. His aplomb, his English pronunciation and his black suits make him the perfect Italian news undertaker. The political parties love him and he, in turn, loves them dearly, particularly the members of the Ds.

“On 13 September 2006, with eight Rai Board members for and one against, Gianni Riotta was appointed as News Director for the TG1 news service, replacing Clemente Mimun. He introduced Anglo-Saxon information techniques in to the Tg1 news service, as well as live interviews slap bang in the middle of the news, live editorials and, finally, he launched the tangle between the Internet and television, with surveys and on line discussions.” Wikipedia

Tell me who voted against, I want to send him a package of marron glacès.
The New York Times dedicated a complete news report to Italy’s decline. The newspaper’s reporters spent an entire day with me. The NYT article describes a Country that is seeking a point of reference in a comedian. The NYT video was dedicated to V-day(*).
And what does Raiotta do? A report on the NYT, in which he states that: “The politicians are being accused, Beppe Grillo included, …”.
The Tg1 is a public news service and is not the personal property of some or other newspaper vendor, nor of the party secretaries that put him there.
Companies should stop all their advertising before the Tg1. We should disassociate ourselves. It is in their interest as well, after all, who would actually want to be associated with Raiotta?
I promise to publish the name of the first company to disassociate itself, right here on my blog.
Bad information cannot be anything other than bad advertising.

(*) Raiotta dedicated a total of just 23 seconds to V-day.

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Ciao
Per finire bene e cominciare meglio Ti voglio scrivere quello che ho notato riguardo allla benzina che usiamo in auto (ora però ho il gpl).
Premetto che sono un'ecologista convintissimo e so che sull'ambiente ci giochiamo molto futuro dell'umanità anche nei riguardi del giudizio Divino. Qualche anno fa facendo il pieno in Slovenia (Kranska Gora) ho notato che sulla pistola erogatrice è chiaramente indicato il numero di ottani (90) mentre prova a chiedere ad un nostro benzinaio se sa quanti ne eroga. Facendo lo stesso percorso con la stessa velocità ho fatto il 30% di Km in più !! sarebbe utile rifare il test anche in altre nazioni. Questo potrebbe significare (se provato) che siamo presi in giro dai raffinatori e una volta diffusa l'informazione Ti farai sicuramente ulteriori nemici. Possibile che non possiamo sapere cosa consumiamo ? inoltre il CO2 aumenta. Si dovrebbe anche fare un test a parità di ottani ma probabilmente avremmo lo stesso risultato.
Un saluto e auguri per un combattivo 2008 esteso anche alla Tua famiglia
Saluti
Ugo

Posted by: ugo balestrieri | December 31, 2007 04:36 PM


My post got held for moderator approval twice, too many urls for my links to data, so now there is only one. If anyone wants references and links then write me off line.

Comparing the health of Italy and Spain-
The growth of science and technology is one way to gauge a culture's ability to adapt to a changing world, and modernize, so let us look at how the two governments are investing.

The Ramon y Cajal program is one of the Spanish government's (Ministry of Science and Education) primary investments in its future. Every year, 250 scholarships covering all of the sciences are awarded; each scholarship is 5 years with a salary of 32KEuros per year, and after the five years, you're ready to be awarded a permanent position. Spain has been offering the Ramon y Cayal for the last 8 years. Nothing like that exists in Italy, and the typical Italian salary for that same type of work is about 1/2 of what one earns with the Ramon Y Cajal. Living expenses are cheaper on average, as well. When Prodi was interviewed by Le Scienze, and asked what he would do if he was elected, he said that he would like to begin a program like the Ramon y Cayal.

If it ever happens, then Spain will have say, a ten year head start on Italy, consistently investing in the country's technical future. I believe that the Spanish government's investment in research is about 1.2% GDP/year and is increasing, while Italy's has dropped below 1% in the last years.

It is true that Italian scientists presently earn more citations per year of their published papers than Spain, the it is not by very much, and it indicates to me how far and how fast Spain has risen, from what it used to be, a few years ago. If you plot per year the citations, Italy's number of citations per year is somewhat flat, while Spain's number of citations is increasing rapidly per year. I think in a couple of years, Spain will surpass Italy's number of citations.

http://in-cites.com/research/2006/april_17_2006-1.html

The in-cites site has a lot more data.
Current (2007) Citations per paper: Spain: 8.32, Italy: 9.68
Ten year ranking Citations per paper Italy: 8.42 Spain 7.20

btw, scientists salaries are mandated by federal law; each level, wherever in the country the scientist is located, earn equivalent salaries (there is a slight increase based on years worked but it is hardly noticeable). And yes, that means the salary is more unliveable in Roma, Milano, Venezia and other expensive locations. My former colleagues are all living with their families or else are living in property that was gained with family, substantial help, or some other lucky situation. When I was living and working there as a government scientist (astronomy), accommodations took 2/3 of my salary. (I just moved from Rome and Italy)

Posted by: Amara Graps | December 21, 2007 07:18 AM


As nearly always the truth is spoken, barely heard except by those willing to listen!

Posted by: jimmy | December 20, 2007 10:23 PM


Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm in Madrid from Milan working in IBM, and salaries in IBM in Milan are lower than salaries in IBM in Madrid..but it's not only in IBM. Believe me before I left Italy to come to Spain I was convinced we were the best of the best, but i've realized that in Italy it's just the "system" that make you thinking that in a sort of subliminal way through the media

Posted by: davide | December 20, 2007 09:22 PM


Wages may be higher in Madrid than say, Napoli. But if you compared Madrid to Rome, what would the comparasion be? I'd imagine (even taking into account the growth of Spain) that Rome boasts higher wages. How could Italy sustain a higher cost of living than Spain if wages weren't higher? Italy does need to invest more money into developing technology however, if it wishes to maintain its important position in the European economy

Posted by: Callum Bateson | December 20, 2007 04:01 PM


I like this post for it gives me the opportunitiy to comment something I'm experiencing these days. Spain has overtaken Italy, it's the truth, I live in Madrid since 4 years and there is no comparison between how fast Spain is growing and how fast Italy is going down. Salaries here are higher then Italy and if you go to Carrefour on saturdays probably you'll spend less then in Italy. Taxes on the payslips are average 10%-15% less than Italy so you easily understand how poor we are in Italy and why Spain is going so good...Said that I Thought: lets see how in Italy they're commenting this news. Corriere.it has placed 2 articles: first one(yesterday) with two lines tellign what EUROSTAT has found out and then a list of comments coming from interviews with Spanish people all saying that even if that was the result in Spain people is not happy. Today you can find the article on-line it is reported a "Banca Mondiale" Report where it is said that Italy is still better positioned. These are facts, the truth is that nobody is taking care about the continuos decline we're facing in Italy; like most of the italian people they tried instead to justify whatever news with the clear intent of overturn the reality. We are escaping from reality, I really wonder how we're still able to survive..

Posted by: Davide Cecchi | December 20, 2007 09:24 AM


Comparing the health of Italy and Spain-
The growth of science and technology is one way to gauge a culture's ability to adapt to a changing world, and modernize, so let us look at how the two governments are investing.

The Ramon y Cajal program is one of the Spanish government's (Ministry of Science and Education) primary investments in its future. Every year, 250 scholarships covering all of the sciences are awarded; each scholarship is 5 years with a salary of 32KEuros per year, and after the five years, you're ready to be awarded a permanent position. Spain has been offering the Ramon y Cayal for the last 8 years. Nothing like that exists in Italy, and the typical Italian salary for that same type of work is about 1/2 of what one earns with the Ramon Y Cajal. Living expenses are cheaper in Spain on average, as well. When Prodi was interviewed in 2006 by Le Scienze, and asked what he would do if he was elected, he said that he would like to begin a program like the Ramon y Cayal.
http://www.perlulivo.it/2006-elezioni/2006_04_02_lescienze_intervistaRP.html

It hasn't happened yet, but if such a thing ever happens, then Spain will have, say, a ten year head start on Italy, consistently investing in the country's technical future. I believe that the Spanish government's investment in research is about 1.2% GDP/year and growing, while Italy's has dropped below 1% in the last years and is shrinking.

It is true that Italian scientists presently see more citations per year of their published papers than Spain, but the difference is not by very much, and it indicates to me how far and how fast Spain has risen, from what it used to be, a few years ago. If you plot per year the citations, then Italy's number of citations per year is somewhat flat and for years, while Spain's number of citations is increasing rapidly per year. I think in a couple of years, Spain will surpass Italy's number of citations.

http://in-cites.com/research/2006/april_17_2006-1.html

Current (2007)
Citations per paper: Spain: 8.32, Italy: 9.68
http://in-cites.com/countries/2007allfields.html

Ten year ranking Citations per paper
http://in-cites.com/countries/italy_6-05.html 8.42 (2005)
http://in-cites.com/countries/spain_2005.html 7.20 (2005)

Posted by: Amara Graps | December 20, 2007 04:32 AM


In the New York meetup group there is not a meetup scheduled because Christmass holidays are coming up and many people are leaving. Next one it is gonna be sometimes in January. It will be posted soon.

Posted by: Nicola Pierobon | December 19, 2007 07:41 PM


That really is a sign of the times...though one has to rememeber that Spain has been enjoying an economic boom fueled by a huge growth in the construction sector. That sector has slowed down considerably, and this has had a negative effect on the stock market and economic growth. Wages in Italy are still higher than those in Spain. I would presume that the U.K were pretty annoyed bak in the 1980's when Italy matched them in GDP PP! Spain will probably fall behind Italy once more, as corruption is almost as bad as it is in Italy, plus there are less multinational companies than there are in Italy. Italy's economy is more stable. Maybe Italy should get rid of this ridiculous political system that means goverments have to form large coalitons...then goverments would be able to make changes much more quickly. Italy's stockmarkt isn't the only one that is performing poorly-the U.K and the U.S have both experienced large falls. If you excluded the banking sector, I wonder how the stockmarket would be performing, seeing as a number of companies have been performing v well (Bulgari, Fiat). By the way, a recent newspaper report here in Ireland (where the stock market has fallen by 15% so far this year)was recommending investments in Italian companies, esp. in the financial and automotive sectors.

Posted by: Callum Bateson | December 19, 2007 07:19 PM


Hello there,
To respond, Yes GDP Per Person, Spain has past Italy!
Although meaningless, this statistic is only the tangible demonstration that The Captain at the wheel is totally incompetent?
Remember “We fixed Italy, now we can grow!” stock market this year -8% and is not over yet, Germany +20%, France +4% and on and on.
What can I say, I was thought sadomasochism was bad for your health, although on the other hand someone may enjoy it.
So it goes, the future is getting brighter by the minutes, Alitalia is loosing 1 Mil per day, and yours truly like to wait 30 more Millions before dump it.
Remember wear dark shades.
Thanks

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | December 19, 2007 02:18 PM


Spain GDP has passed Italy's? I don't believe that. Do you mean gdp pp or total gdp. I might believe Gdp pp. Italy's economy will grow by 2% this year (yes, that's well below the 3.5% growth in Spain, but still) Italy's total gdp at the end of 2006 was €1.5 trillon, Spain's was €1.05 trillion. Estimates fo 2007 are €1.55 trillion for Italy and €1.1 trillion 4 Spain. Per person that works out as €26,500 pp in Italy and €25,500 pp in Spain. So Italy is still ahead. Growth forcasts for nest year are 1.4% for Italy, and 2.3% for Spain. Italy is still a much larger economy than Spain

Posted by: Callum Bateson | December 19, 2007 01:29 PM


Hello everyone,
The snap shut of Italy, national (What you see daily!), International (What the world sees!) are pretty much in miserable sink.
Therefore, regardless of Political/Financial/Personal deviations, the image of a failing Italy System should be very focus in front of your eyes.
Now, the slippery slope Italy is on and has been for quite sometime (Much more visible from the outside because of the different points of view!) is undeniable, although by this time the past is gone, who has done it only in Italy is worthless, so what’s left is tomorrow and what to do to survive and see the day after tomorrow.
It’s blatantly clear the same Individuals that brought Italy to this point, are still there, the same one renting and raving what’s in store for you tomorrow meanwhile laughing all the way to the closest overseas Bank with their pocket full of your money.
The only constant in Italy is this, you pay your taxes and they’ll take them, enrich themselves abuse the Power you gave them and obviously give some excuse like “Well 911 happen, well we tried, well the other guy in the coalition forced me too, well the devil made me do it?”
These are the typical child responses, not acceptable from Experienced Politicians!
I am sure you are aware this will never end, until something radical happen, a Cue De Ta possible, an Argentina type of collapse, a Pakistan type of Military insurrection or a plain and simple internal insurrection.
The current crop of Incompetent Buffoons, clearly are incapable and unwilling to do anything about the situation, and why would they?
There are no consequences either way for them, only for you, their responsibility is to represent the Parties that put them there, and there are a lot of these Parties, lot of mouth to feed, lots of worthless people to keep smiling.
By my rough calculation, the 36% percent of Italian People that actually believe in the system are exactly the same people Government has to keep happy smiling, sucking the life out of Italy without doing anything.
Therefore 60 million x 36%= 21 Millions
Which I believe is just about right, 14 millions work directly for Government Institution, plus Police, Army/Navy, Health, Justice, Education, all the Ministries and the unquantifiable number of Politicians and their leeches.
Having sat all of the above, which I think you are well aware off, what counts is what will you do about it?
They are hopeless, what counts is your reaction, they fuck up daily nothing happen, you fuck up once is all over for you.
Spain GDP has just passed Italy’s GDP (Spain?), In the last two years approx over 50 Billion more taxes collected from you (Where have they gone?).
Thank god to reality and globalization, yes because on the world seen either you are credible capable believable timely and very efficient, otherwise they will chew you up and spit you out.
Sound familiar, that exactly where Italy is, you know who to thank for this!
Go ahead sign up to gazebos, vote to any constituency they’ll point to you, we shall see won’t we?
Still holding your breath, not blue in half yet, just you wait a little longer.
The future looks bright wear very dark shades.
Thanks

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | December 19, 2007 12:49 PM


Hi all.

Beppe, you said the next V-day will be on information. I am not so sure that is priority number 1. I mean, information is absolutely basic in a democratic country and in Italy news are pretty bad. No doubt about it. But, sadly, we have greater problems. To me legality is the greatest problem. The clean-up parliament campaign is absolutely perfect. We need to make people understand that giving one-self good rules and respecting them is key. I am not talking about increasing punishment for corruption (as the China lover is suggesting). I am talking about increasing people consciousness about this problem which is sinking Italy. We need more initiatives like clean up parliament.

Your idea of Italy seems to me a nation of perfectly European-minded people in hands of evil politicians and newspapers owner. I think that is wrong and it is actually underestimating the people and overestimating the power of politicians and news. Politicians and newspapers are bad, but, I am afraid they are a consequence, not a cause of our problems. The way we think is the problem. We don’t have a modern mentality based on efficient and uncorrupted institutions. Getting everybody on the internet will not solve anything and, by the way, will not happen. We have information already but it is in a bad shape because it is just aligned with anything else in this country. Let’s not confuse causes with consequences.

Please insert legality in your V-day agenda.

Posted by: Giulio Giovannini | December 19, 2007 11:05 AM



Perche' D'Alema e Italia vogliono abolizione Pena di Morte?

Hanno forse paura che venga ripristinata per CORRUZIONE DEI POLITICI?

Come in China, ed io penso che questo sia il grande vantaggio presente e futuro della China su tutto il West.

Semplicemente i politici cinesi, che nel grande paese asiatico dovrebbero essere milioni, sono MENO CORROTTI perche' hanno piu' paura della pena.

Per cui ho notato in 14 mesi trascorsi la' che tutti sono assai CORRETTI, negli affari come nella vita quotidiana.

E' meglio essere CORRETTI o CORROTTI in una societa'?

Posted by: fabrizio | December 19, 2007 09:53 AM


Meet up in NYC

I just checked on Meet up.com (Beppe Grillo) there is a meet up in NY with more than 280 members but no next meeting scheduled so far.
Let me suggest:
all Italy-loving should sing in;
we should then discuss an action like sending a letter to the NYT to thank it;
we shoul possibly fix a visit by Beppe Grillo to the NYT HQ;

Posted by: Libero Dalla Rai | December 19, 2007 05:04 AM


NYT should at least protest with Mr Riotta as his TVnews reported something that NYT never said or wrote.
NYT, you are not an Italian newspaper therefore you do not have to obey to our political system when writing, please let know to your readers that in Italy nowadays even news from abroad and from an important newspaper like yours are distorted and faked (and by the most important PUBLIC TV!) for the benefit of our corrupted political class.

They are stealing our freedom, our life day by day.
They are brainwashing everyone that is not able to reach fair and true information in Italy (i.e. INTERNET) and therefore rely on those so called TV news that are now no more than pure propaganda for the Italian political caste.

Posted by: Massimo Mera | December 19, 2007 04:26 AM


The NY Time article about Italy was excellent and right to the point. A good example on how independent journalism should be.
Nobody realize though that it was published the very same day that the President of Italy, Mr Napolitano, visited the Newspaper HQ in NY. That is, that accurate but quite crucial article was the NYT welcome to the highest Italian official, not quite a sign of respect. But, than who did realize that Mr Napolitano was in town? Nobody. Still, according to an Italian bestsller -which is in fact the printed equivalent of Grillo's blog i.e. La Casta (the Caste) by G.A. Stella - the Presidencny of Italy costs 4 times more than the British Crown. Not because Mr Napolitano himself is corruted, but because of the huge staff running his office.
Last October, at the Columbus Day Parade in NT City, a small group of Grillo's supported contested the Italian Ministr of Justice, Mr Mastella.Mr Mastella was reconforted by the episode because protester were very few. Well all Italia loving newyorkes might beef up the Grillo's NY meetup structure and scale up protest next time.

So thank you very much good old NYT because in democracy truth is always the best medicine.

Go Beppe!

Posted by: libero Dalla Rai | December 19, 2007 03:52 AM


This is really a sad turn of events. I recall up to the late 70s and early 80s that Italian TV news reporting was one of the last bastions of news not as entertainment but as news. Italian journalists were the last to be expelled from the Iran during the crisis there because their reporting was recognized (around the world) as first class UNBIASED and un-editorialized news. The Americans were the first to be kicked out (of course - but that would have been political anyway). I remember when the Telegiornale was a guy, sitting at a desk, reporting what was happening, in order of actual importance to all the Italian people, not just a few rich ones. Not glitzed up with "interviews" and editorials. All this from State owned TV, which was pretty amazing. Now that the state is fully owned by financial interests like Berlusconi, there can probably be no improvement without radical change (out with the old, in with the young). Do like I do, get your news off the internet, while not necessarily unbiased (that doesn't exist anywhere), you won't have to read about Paris Hilton if you don't want to, which is an improvement in itself.

This is just another manifestation of Italy's sad decline - buying into all that is ugly, and ignoring the principles that could have kept it great. Some things never actually change, they just get worse.

Team Beppe Grillo! or as they say in Italian: W Beppe Grillo!
M Delinguenti in governo!

Posted by: Ann Liederman | December 19, 2007 01:50 AM


il blog dopo l'avvento della autenticazione obbligatoria è ridicolo !
non merita più attenzione da spazio aperto si è trasformato in gabbia da allevamento


buon natale !... quasi a tutti....

Posted by: er barcarolo | December 18, 2007 11:47 PM


I think that in Italy there are really few persons able to make journalism in autonomy and with a critic approach. Most of them is aligned to strong powers. The same powers that do not want any change in Italian society and in particular do not want meritocracy and indipendency. I agree with you that is frustrating to see a public information used for serving the interest of the politicians and misrepresenting the reality.

Posted by: Domenico Cerbone | December 18, 2007 10:27 PM


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