Native American and Italian reserves

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I will soon be publishing the 2008 Calendar of Italy’s Lay Saints on this blog. Should there be any suggestions, write the name in the comments section, even though there is very little time remaining.


Introduction to the Calendar:
“Is it preferable to have a dead judge rather than a judge that has been transferred, derided, investigated or handed over? What is better, Livatino or De Magistris? This is the problem. Is it better to live under political-Mafia control or to fight back, as did Borsellino, Falcone and hundreds of our citizens, only to land up lying forgotten under a gravestone?
Those who mind their own business live to be a hundred years old, which is why we are amongst the longest-lived populations in the world today. No one knows how to stick his nose in his own affairs quite as well as the majority of Italians. There are, however, some small pockets of resistance. Only a few million people, less than 10%. For the time being they are only making noises, murmuring, moaning and blogging. They are like the native American reserves, the new Italian reserves. Our very own Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull and Geronimo, and their names are Travaglio, Abbate, and Saviano.
The Lakota tribes tore up the Treaties they signed 150 years ago with the United States. They no longer consider themselves to be US citizens. The Sioux nation has unilaterally withdrawn from the rest of the Country. So far, the Italian Sioux have not quite got to this point. They wish to remain within the law. Their own law, obviously, because there is no remaining trace of any legality whatsoever in the politicians and lobby groups. A few million honest citizens are living in their own personal reserve, in an apartment with a variable interest rate mortgage, with family and friends. They form tiny enclaves, dotted all around the Country, awaiting the arrival of their Little Big Horn and the scalp of General Custer.
The gap between the honest and the dishonest sections of the Country is very evident. The delinquents are no longer in hiding. They no longer have anything to fear from the law. The Judiciary has been defeated, homogenised. Parliament is beyond the reach of the law, populated by servants, convicts and, with the odd good person here and there who landed up in Parliament purely by accident. None of these people were ever actually elected by the Italians.
The honest enclaves, however, are speaking to each other on the Web, they are gathering converts and are attempting to find some solutions at the local level. They curse the corrupt municipal councillors, block the construction of incinerators and fight for public water rights. They replace the politicians and become citizens that have been seconded to the political arena. Just as it should be in any civilized Country.
Virtually every block on the 2008 calendar has been filled, but there are no new fallen. At this point, all that needs to happen is some new law, some new interpretation, some new clause, some complacent newspaper editor who publishes confidential information, and the game is over: the judge becomes the guilty party. Politics has evolved and no longer needs to resort to TNT. In today’s world, Borsellino would still be alive. The CSM would have convicted him. Mastella would have demanded that he be transferred. The media would have crucified him. He would have ended up in an Italian reserve, the same reserve where Caselli ended up and where Forleo is headed.
At one time we wondered whether we die as Christian democrats, now we wonder whether we will die in a Country without any form of legality.
The Sioux used to scalp their enemies, we cannot even resort to that. Our enemies only wear little wigs and have plastic hair.” Beppe Grillo


Ps: The “Espresso” has published the conversation that took place between the psychodwarf and Olivo-Saccà. Make a point of listening to it on an empty stomach though, just so that you don’t vomit.
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This is to answer Mr. Charles Darwin post.
It is typical of your right-wing "philosophy", Mr. Darwin, to make accusations and use character assassination techniques. People like you resort always to name calling.
Have the courage to articulate your POV publicly, if you have one.
You say that Mr. Grillo is in bad faith. What is your faith, Mr. Darwin?

Posted by: Michael Machiavelli | December 24, 2007 10:37 PM


Mr.Grillo: You are a fool emeritus and in bad faith. You should only be ashamed, son of shit.

Posted by: Charles Darwin | December 24, 2007 02:45 PM


Being a dual Italian/American citizen living in the United States it is hard to understand some of the differences between the political systems. It seems to us that tough political decisions are practically impossible to make without the government falling. We watched Berlusconi have a fairly sizable majority but still nothing changed. On the flip side, we have had Bush for seven years and the changes he brought have mostly been terrible for America and the world. I voted for Prodi's coalition in the last election because it seemed Berlusconi was ten feet up Bush's ass. It seems Italians and Americans are depressed and ready for some big changes. I think it can start with the regular people in the cities and towns
Dave S
Charlotte, NC
USA

Posted by: Dave Scire | December 23, 2007 04:03 PM


It is frustrating for Italians living abroad (second generation) to see the government of Italy being so ineffectual. We see so many governments come and go but the last Berlusconi government lasted quite a while but nothing really changed even with a descent majority. As an American, we are stuck with Bush no matter what we want and that is more frustrating. I voted for Prodi's party last time mostly because Berlusconi had a sore neck from kissing Bush's ass.

Posted by: Dave Scire | December 23, 2007 03:54 PM


If I may suggest, the term "reserves" is incorrect; you should use "reservations". A reservation in this context means:
"A tract of land set apart by the federal government for a special purpose, especially one for the use of a Native American people."

Also, as much as I love Italian, my mother tongue, perfect to express emotions from the most hidden corners of your soul, I agree with your rationale for using English.

That said, I want to congratulate you for your noble effort. I discovered your blog a few weeks ago (my brother that lives in Italy told me about it).

I left Italy many years ago to emigrate to the USA. This gives me some understanding of both sides of the Atlantic. The only thing I want to say now is that both societies badly need serious social and political changes. Both societies lack leadership at many levels. It cannot be about profit only especially now that the Earth is litterally melting down and we as humans risk to suffocate in our own miasma.
One difference between Italy and USA is that the things in USA can change very fast (not always for the best).

Posted by: Michael Machiavelli | December 23, 2007 08:10 AM


If I may suggest, the term "reserves" is incorrect; you should use "reservations". A reservation in this context means:
"A tract of land set apart by the federal government for a special purpose, especially one for the use of a Native American people."

Also, as much as I love Italian, my mother tongue, perfect to express emotions from the most hidden corners of your soul, I agree with your rationale for using English.

That said, I want to congratulate you for your noble effort. I discovered your blog a few weeks ago (my brother that lives in Italy told me about it).

I left Italy many years ago to emigrate to the USA. This gives me some understanding of both sides of the Atlantic. The only thing I want to say now is that both societies badly need serious social and political changes. Both societies lack leadership at many levels. It cannot be about profit only especially now that the Earth is litterally melting down and we as humans risk to suffocate in our own miasma.
One difference between Italy and USA is that the things in USA can change very fast (not always for the best).

Posted by: Michael Machiavelli | December 23, 2007 08:10 AM



Inglese non e' piu' la lingua USA o British.

E' la lingua necessaria per Internet e contatti internazionali.

E si modifica ogni giorno integrando parole di altre lingue. Ad esempio la giapponese Tsunami e l' italiana Pizza ne fanno oramai parte.

Non solo, nel Multimedia, nei SMS si contrae per comodita', cosi' che you ad esempio diventa u and two diventa 2.

Oppure pretendete che 2,7B di cinesi e di indiani imparino il Berlusconese per fare affari con loro?

Posted by: fabrizio | December 23, 2007 04:01 AM



Why Italy has forgotten David of Michelangelo, symbol of winning innovation also in China?

Why innovative Internet has been postponed to tivvi' and Telecom?

Why innovative solar and EV has been postponed to ENI and Fiat?

Posted by: fabrizio | December 23, 2007 03:47 AM


Hello everyone,
This site is based in Italy and the arguments are about Italy, having sat that it’s in English because emigrated Italian exposed to other different cultures, can and hopefully will write their input on this Country.
Folks, English like it or not is the Financial Language of this globe, just remember always follow the money; this was true in the Roman time, its true today where the US is the biggest economy.
Stop bickering about National Pride, there is no more National anything, you eat drink read and work what you choose or what you can afford regardless where it comes from, so just give it a rest.
As for, Italian Language VS. English Language (To be honest, not even Italian Public Figure can conjugate a dicent phrase in correct Italian, and at EU level Italian is considered a secondary Language, therefore let’s stick to the subject and history will take care of itself!) reality is if you travel anywhere in this globe, English is the Language you must be cognizant with.
As for the argument in question, from my prospective it’s very simple; Italy has through history skipped too many democratic steps, and in today global Financial/Legal/Political System the shortcoming is very apparent and noticeable.
Italian Society has always been very close knitted, very selective, never expose to outside influx (Not by chance people emigrated from Italy, the who is whom of yesterday are the same of today, class migration is not in Italian Dictionary and on and on) and so here it is the square Italy trying to fit into a round hole.
The basic pillars of any Society are, Justice, Equality and Education, and although Italy is one of the best known civilization, when compared to the other of similar conception is actually better off than the rest (Egyptians, Greek, Mesopotamia and other!).
All this history proves one thing only, self reliance and closeness in any Society only bring The Demise.
There is not spirit of adaptation, there is no concept of competition, there is no concept of improvement, and there is no reward for progress and on and on.
The people on top, mold society to their safety security and well being.
Someone has to shake the tree, whether civil unrest, military unrest or political unrest.
The last two are very improbable (Italy has no Military to speak of, while Political unrest is not even conciavable since they will not hurt themselves!) which leaves You.
You are Civil Society (Or what is left of it) and from my prospective is time You start speaking with your actions, voting, your money, your daily choices etc.
Maintaining the Status Quo’ has brought Italy to what it is today, it will take quit an effort to bring it back to the rest of European Society.
The proof is in the reactions from the establishment, only incompetence needs to be proven, good work speaks for itself.
The future looks bright wear very dark shades.
Thanks

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | December 22, 2007 11:26 AM


Be questa propio ve la siete cercata., lo so compio un oltraggio a scrivere in italiano qui, ma permettetemolo.
Mc donald ma sei convinto di quello che hai detto?
qui non si parla in inglese per fare Brodo o fare lo smaccoso o sentirsi piu intelligenti o addirittura per sentirsi americanizzati!!
Bene il primo americanizzato sei TU che ti Chiami MCDONALD come una lurida multinazionale che sfrutta i minori nel terzo mondo ! Mi sembri il classico tipo con la puzza sotto il naso, e poi laltra cima e Diego russo !
Caro diego , nessuno e nato sapendo fare qulacosa, be forse tu sei leccezione!

anyway merry christmas to everybody ( diego e mcdonald too)
For the other peaple ( so , no for diego e mcdonald) try to write and speak english!!!
is important!
ciao ..

Posted by: greco Francesco | December 22, 2007 12:11 AM


Regarding the Factory in Torino......
The german company, owner at the time, wanted to close the plant many years ago and under protest from the workers and local authorities agreed to leave it open but not to add another lira for up keep. A convenient way to pass the butt. So again the sole responsibility is on our local and national and international flag bum wipers.

Ciao Bob

Posted by: Bob Good | December 21, 2007 07:36 PM


Those living on the Italian reserves probably won't be killed off by infectious diseases from the rest of Italy. A large majority of native Americans were killed by the infectious diseases brought by Europeans.

Also, American Indians probably learned the practice of scalping from the Europeans. Although archaeologists have found a few prehistoric human remains in the Americas that show evidence of cut marks on the skulls, they disagree about whether these marks are evidence of scalping. Absolutely no evidence exists that scalping was a widespread practice in the Americas before European contact.

If it was practiced, it was done by very few tribes and then very infrequently.
On the other hand, scalping was a well-established tradition for Europeans. Ancient Scythians (Russians) practiced it. Herodotus, the Greek Historian, wrote of them in B.C. 440, "The Scythian soldier scrapes the scalp clean of flesh and softening it by rubbing between the hands, uses it thenceforth as a napkin. The Scyth is proud of these scalps and hangs them from his bridle rein; the greater the number of such napkins that a man can show, the more highly is he esteemed among them. Many make themselves cloaks by sewing a quantity of these scalps together."

Much later the English paid bounties for Irish heads. Because scalps were easier to transport and store than heads, Europeans sometimes substituted scalping for headhunting. Records show that the Earl of Wessex England scalped his enemies in 11th century.

In 1706 the governor of Pennsylvania (a European) offered 130 pieces of eight for the scalp of Indian men over twelve years of age and 50 pieces of eight for a woman’s scalp. Because it was impossible for those who paid the bounty to determine the victim’s sex – and sometimes the age – from the scalp alone, killing women and children became a way to make easy money.

During the French and Indian Wars and later during the war between the British and the Colonists, both the British and the French encouraged their Indian allies to scalp their enemies providing them with metal scalping knives.

The practice of paying bounties for Indian scalps did not end until the 1800’s.

Posted by: Dave de Andrade | December 21, 2007 04:32 PM



UN FUTURO PER IL SISTEMA ITALIA ?

Esaminare le ultime evoluzioni e capire quelle future, é possibile ? Forse, ma ci vuole realismo.

Gli Italiani, negli ultimi vent' anni, hanno avuto una mutazione del DNA. Molte delle evoluzioni sono pero' negative.
Ma c' é una colpa, dell' Italiano medio, per le trasformazioni negative ? Forse, un po', non più della beata incoscienza nell' accettare i N.C.I. (Nuovi Comportamenti Italiani), senza reagire.

Poteva reagire l' Italiano medio ? Forse no, visto che non ha la schiena dritta (che é invocata da Ciampi). Ma si puo' avere la schiena dritta, quando si ha un alto tasso di insuccessi sociali ?

D' altronde, si puo' avere un alto tasso di successi sociali se la Pubblica Distruzione non ci ha mai insegnato che fra i cittadini e lo stato ci vuole una collaborazione ? E un rispetto reciproco ? E un interesse dell' uno a che l' altro stia in buona salute?

La colpa della Pubblica Distruzione: non é stato insegnato ai cittadini il buon senso, l' educazione, il rigore, la coerenza, la responsabilità del proprio operato. Per cui essi non sono stati in grado, in tempo di elezioni, di sceverare i venditori di chiacchiere senza esperienza dai candidati in possesso di professionalità per costruire, modificare, migliorare...

Essendosi pensato, alla Pubblica dIstruzione, solo alla ISTRUZIONE degli studenti, ignorando l' EDUCAZIONE, il cittadino tipo ignora gran parte dei suoi doveri. E non é divenuto mai conscio dei propri diritti. La rassegnazione alla sopraffazione impera infatti in molte regioni e settori del sociale.

Guardiamoci intorno, in U.E. In ogni Paese c' é una società in cui i cittadini usano il buon senso, le regole, e criteri di comportamento corretti, sulla base di Valori comuni, soddisfano i loro bisogni, nel quadro di un Patto Sociale. Il quale permette, a milioni di individui, di essere una sola società.

Cosa c' é in Italia ? Una folla disordinata di individui, senza ordini di squadra, senza patto sociale, ognuno per suo conto....come in un pollaio. Ma tutti spesso d' accordo su due sole cose: Anarchia e Confusione.

Avendo la "schiena molle", per colpa della Pubblica Distruzione, si diviene, col tempo, rassegnati. Tanto più che la mancanza della coscienza sociale (essa viene insegnata negli altri Paesi della U.E., non in Italia) mette potenzialmente ogni cittadino nella posizione di "uno contro tanti". E mette lo stato nella situazione di dirsi: "ma si puo' gestire l' anarchia ?

Rassegnati. Ma é possibile non esserlo ? Certo, in altri Paesi della U.E. i cittadini si uniscono in partiti, associazioni. Gli uni e gli altri spesso costruiscono, con impegno e serietà. Ma possono, partiti e associazioni, strutturare, migliorare, la società italiana ? Cioé il Bel Paese, con tanti laghi, pantani, mancate reazioni, rassegnazioni ? E ruote grippate ? Il Paese del grigiore, della non chiarezza ?

Le riforme, invoca Ciampi. Se i partiti volessero riformare seriamente, riuscire a fare in pratica cio' che dicono di voler fare, dovrebbero essere gestiti da Tedeschi, Belgi, Francesi. Gente coi coglioni, con carattere, coerenza, capacità sociale, organizzazione... Visto che la Pubblica Distruzione non ha pensato ad educare gli Italiani a tali Valori, per decenni. Non basta che Ciampi dica "tenete la schiena dritta.." ! Neanche la coerenza é stata insegnata, nel Paese ove l' ipocrisia é stata elevata a rango universitario... L' organizzazione e la coerenza , mai conosciute in tante province italiane, sono i valori che fan si che, in giro per la U.E., i cittadini facciano corrispondere i fatti alle parole.

Ma é proprio questo, la corrispondenza dei fatti alle parole, che é tanto difficile, nel Paese dell' arte. E dei furbi. In fondo l' artista cerca l' originalità di un percorso nuovo. Magari deviato, ma nuovo. Magari scorretto, ma nuovo.
Lo Stivale é divenuto una terra ove tutti i percorsi diversi, variati, talora nascosti, incurvati, deviati, si incrociano, si ostacolano, si scontrano talvolta...

Se i furbi non cercassero di ottenere col sotterfugio cio' che dovrebbero faticare ad avere coll' impegno, alla luce del sole, allora la vita diverrebbe faticosa. E noiosa, che barba ! Poi, si puo' fare una vita di fatica nel Paese della calura ? Si puo' sudare, impegnandosi a costruire, nel Paese della pigrizia ? Si puo' non essere pigri nel Paese ove la gran parte dei meccanismi pubblici si grippano ?

Sono tutte ragioni per cercare di discolpare gli Italiani che hanno accettato i N.C.I. Si, la residua colpa di aver accettato nuove abitudini, quelle che hanno ammazzato le efficienze sociali, é un peccato veniale.

Noi Italiani, famosi per la somma intuizione. Ma puo' , un popolo di artisti intuitivi, essere razionale, organizzato, per restare a galla nel Mercato Globale ? Se la Pubblica Distruzione non ci ha insegnato la struttura delle costruzioni sociali, l' organizzazione degli schemi mentali produttivi ?

Ecco il punto, a me sembra.

Se avessimo la razionalità francese, la coerenza britannica, l' impegno degli Scandinavi............ allora le ruote della società non sarebbero spesso grippate . Ogni cittadino avrebbe il suo flaccone di "olio sociale" e farebbe la manutenzione dei meccanismi delle stato, della società....

E se l' olio fosse sufficiente, potrebbe ingrassarsi quella parte del proprio cervello che presiede al sociale (attualmente atrofizzata).

Il futuro ? o ci sarà un futuro, o non ci sarà. Ci sarà un futuro se un' analisi degli handicaps sociali viene fatta subito, prima di passare il punto di non ritorno. Emigrati aiutando. Non ci sarà futuro se restiamo là, rassegnati, ad aspettare.

Le Cause delle inefficienze sono una decina. Senza individuarle, coll' aiuto di testimoni dello sviluppo, la via maestra per divenire un Paese normale, europeo, sembra preclusa.

l' Emigrato
Antonio Greco
ANGREMA@wanadoo.fr

(disponibile per una presentaz. sulle cause del sottosviluppo italiano)

P.S. Dio ride degli uomini che si lamentano di eventi, le cui cause essi stessi continuano a promuovere con convinzione (Bossuet).

Posted by: Antonio Greco | December 21, 2007 04:12 PM


Beppe, your metaphor comparing the Lakota tribes (and I imagine by extension our other Native Americans) and their opting out of any pretense of an honorable relationship (on the part of "the Great White Father" in Washington) vis-a-vi the the United States and the new Italian reservations for "honorable Italian citizens" is very apt. Our U.S. politicians are just as corrupt, inept and venal as the Italian; yours just dress better. This is my first attempt to participate in any blog, and I am honored to be doing in on yours. Keep up the amazing work and your efforts to defend free speech.

Posted by: Ernest Levin | December 21, 2007 03:08 PM


Beppe, your metaphor comparing the Lakota tribes (and I imagine by extension our other Native Americans) and their opting out of any pretense of an honorable relationship (on the part of "the Great White Father" in Washington) vis-a-vi the the United States and the new Italian reservations for "honorable Italian citizens" is very apt. Our U.S. politicians are just as corrupt, inept and venal as the Italian; yours just dress better. This is my first attempt to participate in any blog, and I am honored to be doing in on yours. Keep up the amazing work and your efforts to defend free speech.

Posted by: Ernest Levin | December 21, 2007 03:07 PM


the Italians may live longer, but, looking at the declining birth rates they are going to become extinct in few decades.
For this sad end, Italians have to thank their corrupt politicians who sip up most of the wealth created in this country

A politician few days ago boasted that he was working hard "doing politics from morning to evening". The Italians know better and understand that that phrase means "robbing the Italians from morning to evening " or, at best, doing nothing from morning to evening.
Wake up Italians.
G. Vidozzi

Posted by: Giuseppe Vidozzi | December 21, 2007 12:46 PM


Ha, ha, ha!!!! Mi piace il commento di Diego Russo che incazzato dice "perche' scrivete in inglese se non lo sapete fare?"
Beh, siete italiani no? E volenti o nolenti, siete tutti "americanizzati". Scrivere in inglese e' di moda, ti rende intelligente, "in", acculturato & moderno, ecc. ecc.
E poi, suppongo che coloro che postano qui, lo fanno per pieta' -- vogliono popolare un'altrimenti desolata pagina, sorella povera di quella in italiano.

But the best one is Beppe Greco's! I never ever read a post that has rendered "phonetic" English in such an exhilarating way. I suppose all the Beppes are born jokers!

Ciao

Posted by: MacDonald the Highlander | December 21, 2007 11:56 AM


Diego,

I appreciate your comment aimed to give an intelligent prospective of the articles published here.Do you wonder why I am writing in English? well just because you cannot understand my swedish, do you? if you can just let me know so I shall do it next time.

Posted by: Gabriele Arrighetti | December 21, 2007 11:18 AM


perchè scrivete in inglese se non lo sapete fare?
why do you write in english if you are not able to do it?

Posted by: diego russo | December 21, 2007 10:49 AM


WOW.....I am touched.
Evelina and Elena, you have a brilliant future. Once recommended by such a personality... it is only up to you.... to fail.

About the rest of the conversation...I have tips to give to the young intelligent guys: buy a ticket a move to another country, because with this plitical class on board you have not a future in Italy (unless your name is Evelina or Elena).

Posted by: Gabriele Arrighetti | December 21, 2007 10:39 AM


hi to everybody,
i did eat befor read the last beppe grillos post,
i was vomit all! that is true!

the best think for the citizen italian is this:
Have on the parlament only GAY, so nobady can negoziation woman!
the raccomandation for Elena Russo and Evelina manna is only one: Please don t give notthing to nobady,specialy to italian parlament or senator!
good luck to everybody!

Posted by: greco Francesco | December 21, 2007 10:05 AM


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