The Unsustainable cost of Fede

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Fede costs the Italians 350,000 euro a day. From 1 January 2006, retroactively. The European Court of Justice has pronounced a sentence ordering Italy to pay a fine of 130 million euro a year if Rete 4 does not hand over to Europa 7 the frequencies that Asphalt Head has in concession from the State. According to Europe the assigning of frequencies in Italy does not respect the free delivery of services and does not have objective selection criteria.
The European verdict is the third one in favour of Europa 7 after that of the Constitutional Court and the Council of State. Asphalt Head removes the ICI tax, but brings in the Fede licence fee. Are there no conflicts of interest? Why do the Italians have to pay to watch Fido Bau every evening? If Asphalt Head, the public concessionary of 3 national TV channels doesn’t move Rete 4 onto satellite, at the end of his glorious 5 year period, the Italians will pay about a billion euro in fines when you consider the back payments.
Asphalt Head is a genius. As well as the public concession, the paid advertising on 3 channels inherited from Craxi, he will also have public financing. There’s no longer a Ministry of Communications. In reality it didn’t even exist before. Gentiloni will be able to dedicate more to tennis with Ermete instead of spending long week ends at Arcore.
Agcom with the support of the PD and La Repubblica and Finocchiaro and Topo Gigio is completely dedicated to the dangerous Travaglio. “Se pò fà.” With our money “se pò fà” {it can be done}.
To find out how much we are paying to the President of the Council to not apply the verdict on Rete 4, download and use the banner. It is great to contribute to the economic success of Asphalt Head with our taxes.

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Beppe keep it up, your voice reached the netherlands.
We need to do this all together, no more misguiding, no more denying. Things need to change, and its up to us to make this happen. Start speaking and protesting. Power to the civilians!

Posted by: Michaël | September 21, 2010 1:55 PM

korobochka: The majority of the people with skill or professions don't leave their countries. If they do, they land in the U.S., UK, Germany, France and Scandinavian countries. The overwhelming majority of people leaving their countries, leave out economic necessaties: they're poor, poor, poor. And when you're in that kind of economic situation,you'll go anywhere to find work and stay alive -even Italy. Every single Western country will be swamped by "illegal immigrants" and no matter what laws are passed, how many walls are built (as the Americans are building them) nothing, nothing will stop them. Can a sunami be stopped? Well, neither can desperate, poor people be stopped from going to rich countries. They're a force of nature that began 60,000 years ago. Only delusional people like Bossi, Fini and their ilks think it can be diverted, stopped and ended. Now, they want to deport them en- masse. Deport them back to what? Back to hunger? Mark my words, they will come back en-masse. This government should spare themselves the cost of flying them home and start treating them like the human beings they are. I know it will not happen. The sight of them is enough to get Bossi and company all flamed-up and morph their thinking into early-men phase.

Posted by: LP | May 18, 2008 7:37 AM

It's unconstitutional that Italians have to pay a retroactive fine of a private TV belonging to a private citizen Cavalier Silvio Berlusconi.

It's funny that he is considered a Cavalier for his cashing in qualities, as soon as he has to pay out
his daily ticket he behave like a penniless chap trying to sneak out his own private responsibilities

The European Community should auction the TV Rete4
and pay off the fine all together Monday morning at the opening. And I mean period.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 17, 2008 5:31 PM

Italian immigrants were discriminated against because they were identified as mafiosi and coming from a corrupt Country. Recent political events do little to improve foreigner's perception of Italy as a respectable Country. We, Italians living abroad, often feel the sting of very negative comments regarding the mess in which Italy has plunged.

Posted by: Mark | May 17, 2008 3:09 PM

The lady at the pizza place only highlights a general attitude--similar to that of Voltaire´s Candide.

Posted by: Kot Begemot | May 17, 2008 3:07 PM

Last thursday I saw a segment of Anno Zero, and couldn't believe the racism that was transpiring from the mayor of Verona, and a minister from the Lega. It had been suggested that perhaps the animosity northerners show to migrants may smack of hypocracy since thousands of migrants work for starvation wages in their factories contributing to their booming economy. The minister felt offended by such a comment and almost fell off his perch as he rushed to protect the reputation of "hard-working, and honourable entrepreneurs of the "Padania". Why is that minister so quick to defend the "hardworking" reputation of his people and trash the "hardwork" and stoop-labor of migrants to the point of hating them? In the meantime the mayor said that he really has nothing against migrants. He simply wants them to have a job and a place to stay in Italy before they come. Perhaps, he should ask some of his "paesani" if they had a job and a place awaiting them when they went "all'estero" to look for work.

Posted by: LP | May 17, 2008 2:36 PM

Robert: That's exactly it! You have said it all! And like the little old lady doesn't see the rot of her city neither do the politicians see the rot in the country. They're good at talking about lofty projects, engaging in political machinations, strategic political alliances, at silencing each other with statistics which, in the end, remain statistics; they talk fancy phrases, coin new political terms, they pretend they're at each others' throats while giving themselves privileges and perks of all kinds, they project an aura of phony responsibility but are completely and utterly incapable of seeing the thousands of things that are wrong on their way to their bullshit jobs. But probably they reflect the natural Italian inability to see past their noses. A couple of years ago I had to go to an Italian governmental office for some bureaucratic reason. The hall was crowded with people waiting, the clerks behind the glass partitions seem buried by mounds of documents. They looked so fucking pissed off that many citizens approached them with cap-in-hand fearful of being sent away. That room had the same feeling and atmosphere of when I had been there with my mother 50 years ago. Their room hadn't changed and neither had the behaviour of clerks.

Posted by: LP | May 17, 2008 2:00 PM

John Boland

“Anyone willing to help me understand what can be done to fix this, or is there nothing that can be done and we can just use this blog to say how terrible it all is?”

John, before anything can be done Italians have to change their own mind set.

Yesterday I was buying a piece of pizza and an old woman also buying some pizza said “What a beautiful day. How beautiful Rome is”. Outside the rubbish was piled high on the street overflowing out of the trash containers. The foot paths were strewn with litter and dog excrement. The road was blocked because of cars doubled parked. The walls of every building were covered with graffiti and political manifestos. People visiting the drug rehabilitation centre next door were sitting on the foot path drinking beer to numb themselves. Across the road the post office had people who were queued up for hours overflowing onto the street. Down at the next intersection I saw a person in a wheel chair unable to cross the road because there was no ramp and cars were double parked on the pedestrian crossing, blocking any opening – he had to go 100 metres down the road to cross.

I fear nothing will change in Italy until Italians stop thinking they are civil and start understanding what civility really means. They will have to travel more than 100 metres to cross that road.

If you live in a sewer long enough you get used to the smell of feces.

Posted by: Robert Morrison | May 17, 2008 12:43 PM

Read the history of how Fascism and Nazism came to power and you will stop being so naive. This crime hysteria has been fabricated, with great electoral success, by Italy's politically controlled trash media.

Posted by: Mark | May 17, 2008 12:31 PM

There is no point in concentrating on an oddity, such as that with Rete 4 (and about this, the opinions of where the oddity lies are many and conflicting...).

Italy is a collection of oddities. Each oddity is a consequence.

So, there is an underlying mechanism that creates this. There is an underlying cause. Unless this cause is recognized and address, it makes absolutely no sense to get excited about each single effect, as it is brought into the spotlight.

The underlying problem is very clear: it´s Italians and the way they reason. They will never accept and recognize this. So, it is very easy to predict that the situation will not change.

Posted by: Kot Begemot | May 17, 2008 12:26 PM

So Fede and Rete 4 are costing the Italian tax payer €350k a day. But does anyone care?

I do but what can we do about it? I say "we" as I am an Italian tax payer. But I dont have a vote :-( Sort of an extracomunitario that the Lega might approve of, though I dont approve of them.

Its good to have this information in the public domain but what next? Anyone willing to help me understand what can be done to fix this, or is there nothing that can be done and we can just use this blog to say how terrible it all is?


Posted by: John Boland | May 17, 2008 11:12 AM

Once again, kudos to Beppe. He told us, way in advance of these unconstitutional elections, that a Veltrusconi love in would take place afterward. Italians keep ignoring Beppe at their own peril. Now we are going to start with troops patrolling the streets, Burma style. Once the first troops are on the streets it will be very easy to expand their number and mandate. Cry!!!!

Posted by: Mark | May 17, 2008 1:14 AM

italy is in for a rough ride for more than the next five years. but this is not because of prodi or berlusconi. it is because of the economic conditions that result from decades of misguided policy and contextual deterioration of economic competitiveness.

Posted by: aaa | May 17, 2008 12:35 AM

I can't believe Fabio Fazi apologized for the things Marco Travaglio said on his show about Schifani. Travaglio simply read from his book what he knew about the man that is second in command. In any event, the question is simple: was Schifani ever associated with the Mafia characters Travaglio said he was? I believe Schifani was. Why? Simply because the investigative journalist has a sterling reputation. With that kind of reputation Marco Travaglio cannot in any way, shape or form make up or make a mistake about what he writes. That aside, nowhere in the Italian media have denials of Travaglio's revelations surfaced. But I did read that Pdl's members of parliament and company are jumping up and down their seats, slamming their fists on the tables screaming to their sphyncters' detriments how one of their own has been villified and, all the while, skirting around the the question of whether it is truth or not. But, unfortunately for them, they can't deny the truth with legal threats yelps, screeches and screams. Pdl and company protest too much.

So, Berlusconi wants to be Veltroni's buddy. And Walter seems to reciprocrate. No wonder he lost the election. His concilliatory "We can do it" felt more like a surrender than a victory cry. Has Veltroni noticed how Berlusconi can swing from Bettino Craxi's camp all the way to the other side where Bossi and Mussolini's daughter sit? Has he noticed how, on the one hand his TV programs "corrupt the Italian youth" according to fascist groups, leftist moralists and religious members while attracting the same groups to his side? Has Veltroni noticed how Berlusconi, whether in opposition or government, sets the mood in his favor in parliament? Has he asked himself why the communist-eating billionaire is reaching out to the people he used to eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner? Berlusconi knows that the ample majority he enjoys in parliament is a blessing and curse for his government. A blessing because he pretty well does anything he wants, and a curse should he screw-up with nobody else to blame but his government. Italy is in for a rough ride for the next five years. Berlusconi knows he will need all the help he can get, but most important, he wants to share the blame should things go sour. He wants Veltroni's fingerprints on the plate in case it shatters.

Posted by: LP | May 17, 2008 12:25 AM

Yes no doubt.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 16, 2008 11:29 PM

Pipel hier siemes wery wery angree. Bat whay??

Iff yu leeve abread, whay than ar yu so angree forr a messege or forr a jouke??

Iff yu lieve hapilee inn anozer contree, yu arr happilee allredy!

Ze pipel wo leeve in Italie arr zen worrid, butt nott yu becauze yu live happilee abrode!

Ze morale off ze storee iz zen: BEE HAPPEE!!

Posted by: Joceleene K. | May 16, 2008 11:15 PM


Revealed: Afghan plane hijacker is now working as a cleaner at Heathrow


(As if we needed another one!)

Posted by: C C | May 16, 2008 10:51 PM

Posted by: federico bisonte | May 16, 2008 03:12 PM


Ededed: didn´t you notice the guy here inciting violence?

Nothing to say about that?
You find it ok, in line with your moral standards and with the rules of the blog??


Posted by: dedede | May 16, 2008 10:36 PM

Well, actually, it was a resounding YES... haha, the box is kinda small... hahahaha


Are you going to rebuke Cindy-umbrella then?

Posted by: dedede | May 16, 2008 10:31 PM

what a bunch of fucked morons we have here
that's what makes beppe blamable for give them a chance to throat out their emptiness
edededed,morrison,saro,god,you're all failed wankers fuck off monoxide producers ,all the motherfuckers governors we have it's because of you pointless organism,who'd be supposed to rule over people like you idiots.....??let's give an help to the universe HANG yourselves!!

Posted by: cindy rella | May 16, 2008 09:45 PM



Can you spot foul language in the message above?
Can you spot a real name??

By any normal standards, the answer is a resounding NO.

Then, why didn´t you complain about this message?

See, double standards, conformism, nonsensical application of rules, incoherence... these are the real problems with Italy.

You complain about what is wrong with Italy. But aren´t you manifesting the same sort of behavior???

(By the way, I switched the nick around, so that you do not get too confused... do you like dedede better than ededed?)

Posted by: dedede | May 16, 2008 10:28 PM

there are no "tampered nicknames"
only paranoids... hahaha

Look, I´ll help you figure it out:

A: Edededed
B: ededed

Can you spot the difference??

*Squint* hard enough and you just might!! :D
Or ask mommy for help.

"Your" nick is clearly different from the other. There is no "tampering": you don´t seem to know the meaning of tampering. Get a dictionary, for god´s sakes!

In any case, you should post with your name and not with a nick. So, we can agree that the name is irrelevant, but you´re ridiculous in asking for enforcement of a rule you yourself violate!! hahaha

Furthermore, the nicks are just fillers, in no way are they supposed to identify someone and everyone knows that they can be used by anyone freely. No one owns a nick. Here not even registered nicks are allowed.

So your paranoia is only off topic and incoherent... but rather entertaining.


Posted by: dedede | May 16, 2008 10:22 PM

Posted by: Edededed | May 16, 2008 10:07 PM


Funny: you yourself violated rules 1, 2, 4 and 5.


And, given the use and abuse of foul language by Grillo himself, it seems really no one is respecting the rules!

Indeed V-Day has made foul language a banner for this blog!!

Posted by: dedede | May 16, 2008 10:12 PM




Posted by: BEPPE | May 16, 2008 10:03 PM


we know you´re angry.

(prozac didn´t do it for you?)

Posted by: ededed | May 16, 2008 9:56 PM

what a bunch of fucked morons we have here
that's what makes beppe blamable for give them a chance to throat out their emptiness
edededed,morrison,saro,god,you're all failed wankers fuck off monoxide producers ,all the motherfuckers governors we have it's because of you pointless organism,who'd be supposed to rule over people like you idiots.....??let's give an help to the universe HANG yourselves!!

Posted by: cindy rella | May 16, 2008 9:45 PM

sado maso maro

you have a pimple on your dylan.

(just to let you know)

Posted by: ededed | May 16, 2008 9:19 PM

>Thanks for contributing, a little less for >Trolling with a low-standard script

>by: Edededed | May 16, 2008 07:29 PM

Dude I cited a line from Bob Dylan´s song and dunno think is a low-standard script. Furthermore I lived the 70s. So get your shit straight before posting things you nothing about.

Posted by: maro saro | May 16, 2008 9:06 PM

M'e' venuto un pensiero per quanto riguarda i nani che vivevano con Biancaneve. Loro fischiettavano allegramente mentre andavano a lavorare e cantavano se la ricrdi:
Se po'
Se po'
Eccome nun se po'
Cor sissepo
Cor sissepo
Ai cher
Se po!

Pensannoce sopra, la ragione che erano cosi' contenti e' che lavoravano in proprio, c'havevano la propria miniera, nun ereno dipendenti.
Mo Veltroni dice che deve basta' co l'odio - essimo tutti contenti come li nani de Biancaneve che ntanto ce parla lui a Berlusconi.

Posted by: Sante Camo | May 16, 2008 8:47 PM

Hey Robert, even though old, that joke seems to be just as valid today as it way years ago, good post!

Posted by: Rinaldi | May 16, 2008 8:19 PM




Posted by: GOD | May 16, 2008 5:46 PM



Posted by: BBC | May 16, 2008 5:33 PM

Robert Morrison, find something constructive to say... don't just fuck around with trite old jokes.

...or should I start with Gordon Brown (or with some Bushite, if you're american?)... ah, well, it takes all sorts of dimwits...

Here, have this rehashed one as a coda:

Brown's Britain is like Heaven

"In Brown’s Britain we live in HEAVEN.

We HEAVEN got petrol,

We HEAVEN got work,

We HEAVEN got a cure for aids,

We HEAVEN got educated kids

We HEAVEN got electricity,

We HEAVEN got Gas

We HEAVEN got out of Iraq

We HEAVEN got morality

We HEAVEN got Law & Order and

We HEAVEN got a bright future."

(and originally, "Brown" read as "Blair" -- so things HAVEN changed much, HAVEN they?)

Posted by: Anthony Bliar | May 16, 2008 5:28 PM

Italian Politicians:

Masters of the bluff, Master of the proposition.

Posted by: maro saro | May 16, 2008 5:17 PM


You really believe that, don´t you??


Posted by: Beppe | May 16, 2008 4:47 PM

Edededed and Blog,

I had some technical difficulties after I posted
the comments on Federal Reserve and about opening our Bank few days ago ( the 14 ) This means that the idea is disturbing someone that want to prevent the spreading of such idea. It's probably a very good idea.

It's funny that as soon as I get out and find another wireless line I can comunicate again after two days. I thought the line was disturbed because of a storm, today I am sure that someone here in US spy on my posts and try close my communications
with you.

There are many free lines in US as you can see now you can read me again isn't it?

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 16, 2008 3:55 PM


Interview with ex-freemason and illuminati:Leo Zagami. Vol1


Posted by: federico bisonte | May 16, 2008 3:12 PM

"After all it's not that awful. In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
By the way, this quotation is not mine, but is taken from a famous movie.

Posted by: Mark | May 16, 2008 2:49 PM

Whenever I think of Italians I always think of the catch phrase:
“They couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery”

And then I think of the old joke that goes a little like this:

All the Police are English
All the Mechanics are German
All the Cooks are French
All the Lovers are Italian
And it’s all organized by the Swiss

All the Police are German
All the Mechanics are French
All the Cooks are English
All the Lovers are Swiss
And it’s all organized by the Italians

But more and more I keep paraphrasing the old World War II joke of how many gears does and Italian tank have into:

“How many gears does the Italian economy have? 1 forward and 5 reverse.”

Posted by: Robert Morrison | May 16, 2008 12:10 PM

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