Fifteen years of "Forza DS"

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I’m publishing the text of my speech yesterday in Rome’s Piazza Navona

”Italians! We weren’t connected because of a “technical” event. I was connected until four, ten minutes ago. Everything was OK. Then, strangely, the signal went. So, you will have to imagine for yourselves. I have to imagine you and you will have to imagine me. Don’t imagine me fatter, evil, sweating and as one who spits out swear words. I have done a “ghandian” course and the most disgusting word that has passed my lips in the last 6 months is: “belin!”. Thus, imagine me slimmer, thinner and much nicer. I have no intention to offend anyone. I want to imagine you and why you are there. You who are in forty or seventy thousand – the Questura will say two thousand five hundred. Why are you there? You are there also to demonstrate your existence, dear friends. Perhaps I’ve got more against you than against the psycho dwarf, dancing girls and similar. I am angry with this great extraordinary way of taking us for a ride that they have been doing to the Italian citizens for15 years. Taking us for a really really big ride. By this pretend government and this pretend opposition. That’s why we find ourselves in this situation. You are there and I am here to talk about, I don’t know who to. By now we’ve got total delirium. The psycho dwarf, Berlusconi, has gone to Japan for the G8 and he has collected another, shit character in the name of and on behalf of the Italian people. With this expression “Italian people” dear gentlefolk, I can no longer identify myself. And I would like – I have even spoken to my lawyer – that every time that Berlusconi calls on the Italian people, he adds an extra bit: “apart from the Grillo family!” OK, but it’s not even the psycho-dwarf’s fault. The psycho-dwarf is only the effect. The cause is what I said earlier. There has been a single party. A single party for fifteen years. They were just pretending. Prodi, Berlusconi, D’Alema, Berlusconi. It’s all a way of taking us for a ride. So what needs to be done? I don’t know what needs to be done. This is a government, dear friends, that lives with TV labels. In any old people, in any old country in the world, whether it’s totalitarian, or democratic, if a premier telephoned to sell a “fica” in leasing, as our premier has done, to corrupt some senators, to bring down the government, he would have been stopped by a coup d’état. What’s not important is the “fica”, dear friends. What’s important is what people want. And he gives people what he wants. A certain type of people. In no state in the world would there be a premier who with his lawyer, Previti, corrupted a judge to buy the biggest publishing company in the country. What country has this one become? That’s why I’m angry.
Conflict of interests. Shit. The Left and the Conflict of interests. The first thing it should have done was the law on the Conflict of interests. But it’s a conflict that also relates to their interests. That’s why I am so enraged. But that’s saying nothing, enraged
They’ve gone beyond that. I don’t know who this Veltroni-Topo Gigio is. Is he the new Mastella? Who is he? Who is this great person? He’s not even a man. He’s a subject! What is he? An adverb! What is it? I can’t even manage to understand what his speeches are. He puts in an adjective and some nouns. He doesn’t have a heart, or lungs, or a brain. He just has nouns.

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Bir Pirikette Sen Koy!
İnternetin Sosyallaştığı Site
http://www.piriketseverler.tr.gg

Posted by: PiriketSeverler | July 18, 2008 07:24 PM


Hi, it seems that we were right the first time...

now the www.sabinaguzzanti.it site reports to have been attacked...

BtW for Sabina and company, if they should need it, I am willing to host their site (I have plenty of space on my hosting space with my AMERICAN hosting company): I hope also that this makes a little bit more complicated to attack it.

Rgds
Alessandro Ogheri
ogheri@alessandroogheri.com

Posted by: Alessandro Ogheri | July 11, 2008 07:15 PM


Yes, luckily this time we were too malicious!!

It seems to be simply upgrading,

ciao

Posted by: Alessandro Ogheri | July 11, 2008 01:16 PM


ok, the site "www.sabinaguzzanti.it" is only upgrading I had been jumping to panicking too swiftly.

Posted by: bardaffe | July 11, 2008 11:45 AM


hi Alessandro,

I also tried (from belgium) I got the same result as you got I think it is retaliation ! may be I am wrong but they want to censured the net now, dramatic situation!

bardaffe

Posted by: bardaffe | July 11, 2008 10:48 AM


I know this message is not relevant to " fifteen years of 'forza DS'" but after sending the message herebelow to info@beppegrillo.it I get a service not available! any idea? because something has to be done.

" hi Beppe Grillo,

I am an belgian enthusiatic reader of your blog I know you want it
uncensured but it is obvious that some people, certainly paid by our
opposants, are now trying to destroy it by sending irrelevent messages
either in using inappropriate languages or incoherent messages.
Is their any way to get rid of these spams.

best regard

bardaffe "

Posted by: bardaffe | July 11, 2008 10:33 AM


One thing...
I dont know if this is somehow related, but STRANGELY after the 8th of July and Piazza Navona,

the 2 sites
www.corradoguzzanti.it and

www.sabinaguzzanti.it

are no longer reachable...

the first states explicitly "sito chiuso" (site closed), the second is not reachable and reports an error in the browser...

perhaps I am too paranoic... but it seems a bit strange, doesnt it ?

Alessandro

Posted by: Alessandro Ogheri | July 11, 2008 09:53 AM


My-oh-my; the things thin-skinned and politically correct people do! Some left the square, others "distanced" themselves from gutsy speeches thought to have offended President Napolitano and the Pope. Please. The Italian President has lived and seen too much to feel pain at some arrows shot his way. The Pope insulted a billion people when he concluded Islam only produced death and destruction. The delicate souls with the delicate ears should get a grip and understand the point of what was said in Piazza Navona. Piazza Navona was about pushing back the envelope that Berlusconi has shoved in our faces. Piazza Navona was also about waking up a wimpy, sleepy PD. Travaglio, Guzzanti, Grillo and Di Pietro are there standing up to Berlusconi and company and they use no half-measures, like Berlusconi. The media mogul plays hardball in business and politics. Thank God some people like Di Pietro, Grillo, Guzzanti and Travaglio are playing just as hard! You don't speak diplomatese with "Berlusca"! So they are cutting it close and the establishment, the political class, mogul medias and media hacks feel it. Veltroni and the other wimps reacted by feigning indignation. The wimps are distancing themselves from the gutsy people as if they are misfits. But misfits they're not. Misfits can't relate to thousands and thousands of young people; and a large part of today's youth know as much. Grillo, Guzzanti, Di Pietro and Travaglio are truth-screamers and as truth-screamers they're mocked, patronized, labeled insane, treated as aberrations and when none of the above works they try to disregard them, pretend they don't exist, ignore them. But the gorilla is in the room and can't be ignored. Travaglio's rigorous exposition of facts, Grillo's and Guzzanti's satires are lifting the curtain of the theatre of the absurd, revealing a world of mafiosi, fraudsters, politicians, media moguls, phony CEO's, bankers and the rest of the Italian establishment pigging out at the trough overflowing with taxpayers' money. The vehemence of the reaction to Piazza Navona shows only one thing: Grillo, Travaglio and Guzzanti Di Pietro are a single force rattling the cage of the beast and the beast doesn't like it. Not for a minute should we let them make us dubious of what we're all about: we're about the future of the left. We're about today's alienated, exploited, jobless young people, immigrants and the fingerprinted children, pensioners and the thousands of laid-off workers. When we talk, we talk to them. Their existentiality is our existentiality. Their future is today. Their future and the left's future began the eighth of July. We don't need those who preferred to criticize the style instead of identifying themselves with our meaning. Our style has meaning: they just refuse to acknowledge it. What kind of style do they have other than hipocracy? What do they have other than calling us "trash"? They have a con- man, an Italian rooster, a ridiculous, pretentious latin lover who, like some of his butlers on his TVs and papers, asks how high to jump when his master from this side of the ocean tells him to jump. But in the battle for the hearts and minds of Italians, the left stood by and looked and bickered and fragmented while he was arming himself with newspapers, television stations and publishing houses. As it is, if anyone is resisting Berlusconi's blitzkrieg with any effect is Grillo's blog, Travaglio investigative skills, Guzzanti's satire and Di Pietro's knowledge of laws and all the speakers that spoke and the thousands of people in Piazza Navona, Torino and Bologna.

Posted by: louis pacella | July 11, 2008 12:53 AM


Qui c'è anche la notizia data dalla BBC:

US Senate passes surveillance law

The US senate has passed a bill to shield telephone companies who helped in the White House's controversial warrantless wiretaps programme.

The bill also grants the US government the power to continue with the telephone surveillance scheme.

The Bush administration faced criticism when details emerged of its programme to monitor the phone calls of foreign targets in the US without warrants.

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama voted in favour of the measure.

His decision to back the bill drew criticism from some of his supporters, who pointed to past statements in which Mr Obama had pledged to block any bill which granted immunity to telecommunication companies.

"I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this," said Mr Obama, in a statement on his website.

However, he added, "in a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people".

Sticking point

President Bush welcomed the Senate's decision to pass the bill, saying he would be signing it into law shortly.

The bill was passed in the House of Representatives with bipartisan support last month, after House Democrats reached a compromise with the Republicans over the provisions to grant telecommunications companies immunity from prosecution.

Telephone companies were facing as many as 40 lawsuits for their involvement in the scheme.

Previous attempts to pass the bill - and allow the warrantless wiretap scheme to continue - had foundered on the issue of immunity for telecom firms.

Democrats had been reluctant to grant the firms immunity, saying the courts should first determine what the companies did.

President Bush - backed by Republicans in Congress - wanted to ensure that firms which had helped his administration would not be liable for prosecution.

The two sides reached a compromise, whereby telephone companies would not be automatically immune, but courts would be obliged to dismiss a suit against a firm if it is able to produce written certification that the White House had asked it to participate in the programme and had assured the firm it was legal.

Posted by: Antonio Facenda | July 10, 2008 05:40 PM


Visto che l'url è stato tagliato a metà, aggiungo di seguito l'articolo tratto dalla Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:

10. Juli 2008 Ein halbes Jahr vor dem Ende seiner Amtszeit hat der amerikanische Präsident George W. Bush einen innenpolitischen Erfolg in seiner Anti-Terror-Politik erzielt: Nach monatelangem Streit beugte sich der Senat den Forderungen aus dem Weißen Haus und verabschiedete ein Gesetz zum Abhören von Telefongesprächen. Das Repräsentantenhaus stimmte der Vorlage bereits Ende Juni zu.

Nach einer hitzigen Debatte über die Balance zwischen den Erfordernissen der inneren Sicherheit und dem Schutz der Privatsphäre billigte der Senat mit 69 zu 28 Stimmen die Vorlage. Damit erhalten Telefonanbieter einen Rechtsschutz gegenüber Klägern, die sich gegen eine Verletzung ihrer Privatsphäre zur Wehr setzen. Zurzeit sind 46 Klagen gegen Telefonfirmen anhängig, die den Behörden Daten zur Verfügung stellten, ohne dass eine gerichtliche Anordnung dafür vorlag.

Weitreichendste Reform seit drei Jahrzehnten

Bush hatte die Einigung schon nach dem Votum der Abgeordnetenkammer als wichtigen Schritt im Anti-Terrorkampf gelobt. Sie werde den Geheimdiensten „helfen, neue Angriffspläne unserer Feinde aufzudecken“. Die Dienste müssten wissen, „mit wem die Terroristen sprechen, was sie sagen und was sie planen“. Die „New York Times“ hatte von der weitreichendsten Reform der elektronischen Überwachung seit 30 Jahren gesprochen.

Das Weiße Haus hatte mit einem Veto gegen jedes Gesetz gedroht, das nicht die geforderte Immunität für die Telefongesellschaften vorsieht. US-Präsident George W. Bush sprach nach der Entscheidung im Senat von einem unerlässlichen Gesetz für die Arbeit der Geheimdienste. Die Regelung sei entscheidend für die Sicherheit der USA und längst überfällig.

Posted by: Antonio Facenda | July 10, 2008 05:34 PM


Mentre in Italia si discute di togliere la possibilità ai giudici di usare le intercettazioni, in America Bush riesce a far passare una legge che aumenterà la possibilità di usare lo strumento delle intercettazioni per prevenire reati legati al terrorismo. La notizia era già sui giornali questa mattina. Ma sui giornali tedeschi, non su quelli italiani, ovviamente! È da un mese che non si fa altro che parlare di intercettazioni, a rigor di logica questa dovrebbe essere una notizia da mettere subito in prima pagina, invece che fanno i giornali italiani? Si parla d'altro, lasciando che i vari politici di turno continuino a raccontarci che negli altri Paesi non si fa uso delle intercettazioni etc.etc.etc...
Per chi sa il tedesco, può informarsi qui:
http://www.faz.net/s/RubDDBDABB9457A437BAA85A49C26FB23A0/Doc~EAEC439B7C71C461F96C0B7C661D41935~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
Gli altri dovranno accontentarsi delle notizie date dai nostri autorevoli giornali italiani.
Saluti dalla Germania
Antonio Facenda

Posted by: Antonio Facenda | July 10, 2008 05:32 PM


Tante volte ho avuto stima del tuo operato e delle tue affermazioni, ma stavolta no!

Deploro il tuo intervento perchè hanno permesso alla
stampa, di creare disinformazione: così affondiamo sempre più'.

Ormai la sinistra è composta da tanti che come quel marito che per punire la moglie si evira.

E intanto il paese affonda.

GP

Posted by: Giuseppe Picone | July 10, 2008 03:18 PM



HERE'S ANOTHER EXEMPLE OF HOW ITALY AND ITALIENS WORK! - JUST CHECK TODAY NEWS:


UBS, Deutsche Bank Staff Investigated in Milan, Corriere Says

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- UBS AG and Deutsche Bank AG bankers are among six individuals under investigation for fraud in a probe into the sale of derivatives to the city of Milan, Corriere della Sera reported, without saying how it obtained the information.

UBS's Gaetano Bassolino (SON OF THE GOVERNOR OF CAMPANIA - NAPLES. HIS FATHER IS IMPLICATED IN THE RUBBISH SCANDAL IN NAPLES BUT STILL IN PLACE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Bassolino ) and Matteo Stassano are being investigated, as are Deutsche Bank's Carlo Arosio and Tommaso Zibordi, Corriere said today. The prosecutor is also investigating Fulvio Molvetti, a former JPMorgan Chase & Co. employee, and Depfa Bank Plc's Marco Santarcangelo, according to the report. The city of Milan faces losses of 300 million euros ($471 million) on derivatives sold by the banks, the newspaper said.

Posted by: FRANKIE HAT | July 10, 2008 01:43 PM


I'm just playing my game...

ecco cosa vi trovate a ripetere tutto ex principio... dall'anno zero di gesù ah ah ah ah
....

il serpente è Berluscaz! ecco chi striscia... ....il vostro serpente che avete nutrito... quello che rimane di Salomone...non certo giò-giò che dopo la punizione lo tiro fuori...
e che dire ancora delle simmetrie che si scompongono e poi si ricompongono... zero clonato... alla fine torna tutto allo ZERO!!

Posted by: lene marlin chiara | July 10, 2008 01:41 PM


IT'S SO OBVIOUS THAT SOME ONE HERE IS USING DIFFERENT NAMES TO BOYCOTT THIS BLOG!!!

How much do they pay you for it? 100/150 euro a month? you poor sad miserable cunt!

Posted by: FRANKIE HAT | July 10, 2008 01:41 PM


Why cannot I cancel my subscription. Youve gone to far in Piazza Navonna for me. Sorry but now I find you way beyond the beyond.

Posted by: joan geller | July 10, 2008 01:35 PM


Why cannot I cancel my subscription. Youve gone to far in Piazza Navonna for me. Sorry but now I find you way beyond the beyond.

Posted by: joan geller | July 10, 2008 01:35 PM


Another exemple of how the Italian system works!

Then you wonder why everything goes tits up!:

UBS, Deutsche Bank Staff Investigated in Milan, Corriere Says

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- UBS AG and Deutsche Bank AG bankers are among six individuals under investigation for fraud in a probe into the sale of derivatives to the city of Milan, Corriere della Sera reported, without saying how it obtained the information.

UBS's Gaetano Bassolino (SON OF THE GOVERNOR OF CAMPANIA - NAPLES. HIS FATHER IS IMPLICATED IN THE RUBBISH SCANDAL IN NAPLES BUT STILL IN PLACE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Bassolino ) and Matteo Stassano are being investigated, as are Deutsche Bank's Carlo Arosio and Tommaso Zibordi, Corriere said today. The prosecutor is also investigating Fulvio Molvetti, a former JPMorgan Chase & Co. employee, and Depfa Bank Plc's Marco Santarcangelo, according to the report. The city of Milan faces losses of 300 million euros ($471 million) on derivatives sold by the banks, the newspaper said.

Posted by: FRANKIE HAT | July 10, 2008 11:17 AM


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