Telefascism
Telefascism - Marco Travaglio
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(45:46)
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Good day to you all. There would be a temptation to talk about the “clean lists”, because you have seen that Berlusconi has discovered the “clean lists” and he has said “now I’ll show you”. Up until a few months ago, to talk about “clean lists”, about not putting up as candidates, people who’ve been convicted, or sent for trial for crimes against the public administration or for serious crimes, was considered to be “justicialism”. All the newspapers, even the independent ones were writing “but no, you can make laws that hand over to the Public prosecutors or the Judges for the preliminary investigations, the selection of the political class”. After that, it was Berlusconi who said it. Then everyone is complementing each other saying: “A correct signal was needed, of course, how could it be otherwise?” It depends on who says the things in Italy. It’s interesting that it was us that started to say this, then before they arrest the whole gang even Berlusconi has got there. The PD has not yet got there. This is the interesting point.
Berlusconi’s clean lists
Thus it was Di Pietro that has been saying this for centuries, Grillo for centuries, we have been saying this in our books for centuries, now it’s Berlusconi that’s saying it. I’m told that those of the PD are not just saying it but they are getting ready to make a law to prevent the candidacy of magistrates in the place where they are working, that is the true number one emergency. Are we in Finland, in Denmark? Thus there’s a political environment that is so clean that we need to worry about where a magistrate should be putting himself forward as a candidate? Why’s that?
Because Di Pietro has put forward a magistrate as a candidate in the top position in the list in Apulia. Instead of worrying about what is happening in Campania where they have put forward a candidate who is a defendant in three trials and where unfortunately even Di Pietro has accepted for “coalition obedience” the indecency of the candidacy of one like De Luca who is a defendant in numerous trials, they are worrying about the candidacy of Italia dei Valori in Apulia because there, there’s a magistrate with a clean record who has been conducting investigations in relation to Fitto and in relation to people of the Centre Left and so thus he must not be a candidate there, naturally. Anyway, there, the one who is mayor of Bari is a former magistrate, Michele Emiliano, for the PD and he is also doing a good job, among other things, and no one of the PD has ever made any objection. There, there are candidates that are elected including the magistrate and writer Carofiglio who is a great person, naturally in the PD, and so all is well. Maritati, a former Public Prosecutor, the one who investigated in relation to the kickbacks with the “king of the clinics” Cavallari to D’Alema and then the kickback got ended by the Statute of Limitations and thus Maritati became a parliamentarian, still in Bari, but given that he is in the PD there’s no problem. Now that Di Pietro is putting forward a magistrate as a candidate, they need to do a law to stop him from doing that, or perhaps they even need to make a law in such a way that someone who is a candidate for the regional council in Apulia and who is from Apulia, has to be a candidate in the Aosta Valley, well away from the region that he knows and where he has worked. Naturally, that’s a great move that is a demonstration of what I was saying earlier, that it’s not the principles that count. What counts is simply who at that moment you are trying to eliminate or create damage for.
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PDL - Partito Dei Lardi
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I feel a heavy weight in my heart that Italians vote for these people. But an even heavier weight that they never admit that they vote for these criminals.
Posted by: Robert Morrison | February 24, 2010 03:33 PM
When all is said and done the Bertolaso and the "masseuse" affair comes down to one question: is it anybody's business if the head of the Italian Civil Protection got a back-rub from a comely lady? The answer is obvious: Of course not. The private lives of every Italian whether public figure or not can't be violated. Bertolaso's therapeutic massage is of no relevance to the public at large and should never have been scrutinized by the media if nothing wrong was found. But, what if the massage was a private massage after hours in an exclusive spa and sport centre, owned by a construction contractor tendering bids for government construction projects? And, what if the intercepted phone conversation between Bertolaso and the entrapreneur, fixing the time for the massage, alluded more to a sexual favor than an innocent massage? And, what if the entrepreneur phoned his aide at the spa, waiting for Bertolaso's session with the masseuse to end, and tells him to make sure any evidence, such as bottles of champagne, glasses, and condoms, be cleared from the room? Should the media, at this point, have the right to scrutinize the head of Italy's Civil Protection agency for a possible exchange of sexual favors for construction projects? Or has the media the right to scrutinize? One would have to be either naive or stupid to think that Bertolaso's back-rub was simply that and the media should lay-off the man.
Posted by: Louis Pacella | February 23, 2010 10:31 PM
there is in Italy a certain degree of cognitive dissonance, particularly among Berlusconi's supporters and fans, including his party's allies.
There are a number of ways Berlusconi's supporters are avoiding cognitive dissonance. A typical one is the dissemination of classical fallacies via the suppression of scientific evidence and the perpetuation of misinformation.
Another kind of fallacy of current Italian politics is the ad hominem argument. The use being made of different scandals reported by certain media show that insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions. Similarly the ad populum arugument, an appeal to the masses by saying that if many believe it then it must be true.
http://mgiannini.blogspot.com/2009/12/cognitive-dissonance-case-of-italy.html
Posted by: M.G. in Progress | February 23, 2010 11:17 AM