Beppe Grillo’s interview on Annozero Thursday 28 April 2011.

Democracy or Party-ocracy
Interviewer - Berlusconi has confessed, the moratorium has just been a way of blocking the referendum.
Beppe Grillo -I’m sorry, enough of this sort of thing, enough of Berlusconi, the referendum – here, it’s not a problem … you are always making a mistake with the approach, it is no longer a problem about nuclear, the referendum, what has the referendum become? Today you can shift it, you can block it. We just have to do a referendum, as in 1946 with the Republic or the Monarchy. Today we have to decide between Democracy and Party-ocracy. Either that lot of people that you have sitting there, either them or us, either over there or over here, that’s it!

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The citizen in the institutions
Interviewer - Berlusconi has confessed, the moratorium has been a way of blocking the referendum.
Beppe Grillo -Even the children knew that, we all realized that. Here the issue is to understand what it means to do a referendum. In this country, by now it’s as though we do them, we don’t do them, we shift them, we direct them, we take them away, we too have done referenda about the financing of the parties. Where did they land up? They have changed things with reimbursing expenses for these people that you have in the studio today each one shares, each party, they have already shared out a billion Euro.

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Il MoVimento 5 Stelle {5 Star MoVement}
Interviewer - You got to 5% - you are starting …
Beppe Grillo -I’m not interested – 5 or 4 or 3 – they are percentages of mortality, it doesn’t mean anything 5 or 4 or 3 means that either you the citizens you lift up that flabby arse that you have there and even you in the studio that they are using as a choreography, but don’t you feel ashamed every so often? Don’t you feel something inside you when you hear the words spoken by Lupi, the daughter of Fantozzi who is saying things, don’t you feel something happening inside that makes you get up and throw a shoe or something? But doesn’t that happen? Get revenge for us! If we have to have a referendum, we’ll do it like this: We are either subjects or citizens!”

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Nuclear is dead The 5 Star MoVement was born on the Internet. I am not eligible to be a candidate. I have tried to put people together, normal people that are fed up of these things, to get them to think about projects concerning water, how to build a building. I don’t have to make a power station. It’s useless talking about nuclear. We have to do a national and European strategic plan. We don’t have a strategy. Referendum, what referendum? Are we going to go along with Germany and with renewables or with France and with nuclear?

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Outlawed politicians
Are you talking about laws? There’s a national law that says a politician cannot be a candidate more than twice, OK? What do they do with these laws? At a regional level they don’t “assimilate”; they don’t “assimilate” the national law and then one, “Forminchione” of Lombardy, are you listening to me? He does 4 legislatures. Why can he do it? Because Errani of the PD in Emilia Romagna has done 3. It’s illegal. The governor of Lombardy and the governor of Emilia Romagna are illegal. They have invented something that says: “We haven’t received this law”?

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Information is under control
Interviewer - If people don’t go to vote it is a problem for the people who don’t go and vote …
Beppe Grillo -They don’t go to vote because they don’t have the information, you don’t have the information about what it means to privatise, about what it means to make public, what is a public law company, what water is, how we need to pay for it. This Left wing that now is praising itself for being against the privatisation of water, I’ll show you, I’ll show you the various Left wing leaders that were talking about Veolia,

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Here are the dates and the cities of my electoral tour. Follow the tour on FB. Updates in the next few days. Where I can’t be present I’ll connect via Skype.
Friday 29/4 Cirié (h.18.30), Pinerolo (h.21); Saturday 30/4 Alpignano-Pianezza (h.11), Trofarello (h.14), Turin (h.17), San Mauro (h.21); Sunday 1/5 Chivasso (h.14.30), Novara (h.17,00), Domodossola (h. 21); Monday 2/5 Cagliari (h.19); Tuesday 3/5 Olgiate Comasco (h.12), Varese (h.19), Busto Arsizio (h. 21); Wednesday 4/5 Milano (h.19), Vimercate (h.21); Thursday 5/5 Desio (h.19), San Giuliano Milanese (h.21); Friday 6/5 Rottofreno (h.17), Salsomaggiore Terme (h.19), Sala Baganza (h.21); Saturday 7/5 Cento (h.11.30), Bologna (h.15), Rovigo (h.19); Sunday 8/5 Cartura (h.11), Abano Terme (h.12), Oderzo (h.15), Trieste (h.19); Monday 9/5 Vigonovo e Campolongo (h.11.30), Chioggia (h.18), Adria (h.21); Tuesday 10/5 Codigoro (h.12), Ravenna (h.18), Cesenatico (h.20.30), Rimini (h.21,30); Wednesday 11/5 S. Benedetto del Tronto (h.13), Vasto (h.15,30), Nardò (h.21,30); Thuesday 12/5 Grottaglie (h.13), Cosenza (h.17.30), Napoli (h.21.30); Friday 13/5 Latina (h.11.30), Pomezia (h.13), Grosseto (h.17.30), Siena (h.20), Arezzo (h.22).