@Patrick Verhoeven,

Thanks for your comments. It is just few days that we know the outcome of Italian elections. Too early to know what will be the real intentions and behavior of the winners. I see the M5S as a democratic movement where the important decisions are discussed and considered in appropriate venues with the participation of the relevant groups and particularly involving the M5S's newly elected parliamentarians. After then we will be able to see who runs away from their responsibilities.

Let us wait and see. I optimistically believe Mr Grillo will not disappoint his voters and generally the Italian people.

Yours

Abdulkadir Tahlil, Birmingham, UK

@ Abdulkadir Tahlil

I completely agree with you !

I always try to judge my own behaviour by asking myself: Would the world become a better place if everybody would act like me.

Ofcourse, if all italian politicians would be like Mr. Grillo CLAIMS he is, than Italy would be a much better place (I have to say, Italy is already a good and wonderful place, I have been there many times).

But at the other side, if all italian politicians would ACT like Mr. Grillo does now, which means that they simply run away for their responsibilities, than Italy would be far worse of than today.

It is getting time that Mr. Grillo stops doing what he accuses his opponents of, playing games with Italy. He should take up his responsibility and start doing what many of his voters want: Start serious negotiations with Bersani.

Ofcourse everything should be brought upon the table, some of Mr. Grillo's important demands should be met by Mr. Bersani, some of Bersani's demand (structural reform of Italys economy) should be met by Mr. Grillo.

And after that, you do no longer question the agreement (unless there are unexpected far reaching new facts) but carry it out.

Italy needs a stable reform minded government for 4 years !

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland

Greetings from the USA, my Italian friends!

You are fighting the good fight, and freedom loving people everywhere are with you. My children and my grandchildren will live a better life, because of your courage and commitment to your own future, and theirs.

Rock on!

Dear Dr.Paolo Mazzarello,

Thanks for the compliments. The sense of duty is a rare quality among Italian politicians. We know about Senator Grillo's extra-parliamentarian activities. Noble, incisive and truthful exposure of the public administration failures, corruption and malpractices. Now he is a Member of Parliament, Leader of the first political party in Italy. Italy needs a government. A good government. Senator Grillo has the chance to try to give Italian people a negotiated responsible government. Negotiations (on the programs and the skills/reputations of the people called in the cabinet) does not mean always as "inciuccio".
I see in that an example of sense of duty.

Yours

Abdulkadir Tahlil, Birmingham, UK

Caro Beppe Grillo: Basta con le denigrazioni dell'avversario, adesso bisogna dimostrare di sapere agire ... non solo criticare ... è più facile demolire che costruire! Dimostra di saper fare anche questo!

Beppe, why not ask to all political parties to symbolically refuse any refund elections as M5S did and wait their answer ?
as this all world media will relay your request and they will be forced to answer...

Vorrei spiegato da Beppe Grillo: come pensi di mettere in atto quello che hai urlato nelle piazze? Come cambierà questo paese senza un governo? Quali sono le proposte per noi cittadini che ci aspettiamo queste riforme? Hai forse paura? Non credo ed allora senza fare inciuci bisogna comunque accordarsi con tutti gli altri per rimettere in piedi l'Italia ... questa è democrazia trovare un punto d'incontro con gli altri non cedere ma neanche non fare nulla ed aspettare o imporsi con la dittatura.

Beppe my greetings. I have to tell you that you give
hope to every democratic person of the planet. Dont
here the voices of the "system", you know well what they work for, why and with which way. Please prove your self honest and respect the millions that vote you(almost the population of my country). The italian people and you are-at the moment- the biggest hope for a real democratic future and evolution for all humanity. Be strong, we are spiritually with you for as long you keep your posittion. Hasta la victoria sempre!

Buongiorno Beppe Ok i TOTALLY AGREE but Now its time all three parties PD , PDL and yours get together and really TRY to work together like we have to every day at work we dont always SHARE the same ideas but to make a bussiness work you need to collaborate the same applies to a country. I am italian and proud of my heritage but Now Lets show the rest of the world that we can work together for a better future for my child Lets start to look at the families with small bussiness like in my family we are struggling to keep ourselves from drowning so why not send all these Messages into parlament and get them to read them ...only today i read fini Will get over €200thousand euros + over €4500 pension you know my mother only get €470. Thats where they should reflect. If they all really care ......

there is a way out,

if out of the total of 54 M5S senators only 38 exit the senate for the vote (voto di fiducia) to install a government
and 16 of them stay and vote NO FIDUCIA (or don't vote, which counts as a no) then even if all the Berlusconi senators exit there would still be the "numero legale"

If I've done the math correctly

then the Deocratic Party and it's coalition could vote them selves into government without receiving the "confidence vote" of the "moVimento 5 settle"

it's all about the "numero legale" which is half of the senators (plus one) that have to be present in the senate to validate any vote

if all the senators of the M5S exit the senate the PD coalition would win the VOTO DI FIDUCIA (to install a goverment, which the country needs) but the problem is that also the senators of Berlusconi would exit the Senate and there would be no "numero legale"

but if out of the total of 54 M5S senators only 38 exit the senate for the vote and 16 of them stay and vote NO FIDUCIA (or don't vote which counts as a no) then even if all the Berlusconi senators exit there would still be the "numero legale"

there are 315 senators
if I'm not completely wrong to them you have to add 4 "senatori a vita" Monti, Ciampi, Colombo and Andreotti
so the total number is 319

for the "numero legale" there have to be 158 senators present (or 160 if all 4 "senatori a vita" are also there to vote)

PD coalition plus Monti makes 142 senators

if they all vote YES then they have a majority, if 38 of the 54 senators of the M5S exit momentarily for the vote and 16 stay and either don't vote or vote NO (which counts as the same)

Berlusconi has 117 senators so the total of NO would be
16 (M5S) + 117 (Berlusconi) + 2 + 4 = 139

139 is less than 142 so it doesn't matter if the senators of Berlusconi stay or leave in that case

Once there is a government, the M5S and Grillo can do what he proposed and vote yes or no (and all the M5S senators can stay in the senate) as in Sicily and the M5S vote is determinative because without it there is no "numero legale" so the old parties can't go on "a colpi di voto di fiducia"

Per quasi trent'anni vivo e lavoro in Italia come lettore di madrelingua all'Università di Milano,e per quasi trent'anni noi lettori siamo in lotta con le università e i vari governi andreottani, craxiani, berlusconiani, prodiani ecc. ecc. (tutti, a sentir loro, di colore diverso, ma tutti in realtà di colore cioccolato fondente) per la dignità di essere trattati per quello che siamo. Invece di avere giustizia, siamo stati smerdati, ostracizzati, e messi al bando, nonostante diversi decisioni della Corte di Giustizia Europea che hanno condannato l'Italia per il suo comportamento in materia (cosa di cui, guarda il caso,i giornali non hanno parlato affatto). Chiunque, come me, vive e lavoro in questo paese per così tanto tempo non può che gioire (come il grande Simon Jenkins del Guardian (vd. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/26/beppe-grillo-may-shake-european-system) al successo del M5S. Avevo quasi perso speranza che esistessero in questo paese persone capaci di cambiare veramente la politica. Ora, per la prima volta, sento che c'è una tempesta di onestà che sta per spazzare via l'aria viziata dei corridori del potere. AVANTI COSI'! NON MOLLATE MAI!

caro Beppe ho votato e fatto votare per te per ottenere finalmente quei provvedimenti che sono necessari per riformare il nostro paese.
Ora questo successo ci dà la possibilità di farlo, ma da soli non è possibile, dobbiamo allearci con il partito democratico per dargli la possibilità insieme a noi di deliberare le leggi che ci interessano.
basta con i proclami e le offese a Bersani, prendiamoci le nostre responsabilità di governo.
Ricordati che se Bersani non ce la fa a casa ci andiamo anche noi e il paese precipita in un baratro di ingovernabilità: Pensa ai pensionati e ai risparmiatori che hanno avuto fiducia nelle tue proposte e vedi di realizzarle. In politica serve pragmatismo e non proclami. Giuliana Bonini Massa

Per quasi trent'anni vivo e lavoro in Italia come lettore di madrelingua all'Università di Milano,e per quasi trent'anni noi lettori siamo in lotta con le università e i vari governi andreottani, craxiani, berlusconiani, prodiani ecc. ecc. (tutti, a sentir loro, di colore diverso, ma tutti in realtà di colore cioccolato fondente) per la dignità di essere trattati per quello che siamo. Invece di avere giustizia, siamo stati smerdati, ostracizzati, e messi al bando, nonostante diversi decisioni della Corte di Giustizia Europea che hanno condannato l'Italia per il suo comportamento in materia (cosa di cui, guarda il caso,i giornali non hanno parlato affatto). Chiunque, come me, vive e lavoro in questo paese per così tanto tempo non può che gioire (come il grande Simon Jenkins del Guardian (vd. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/26/beppe-grillo-may-shake-european-system) al successo del M5S. Avevo quasi perso speranza che esistessero in questo paese persone capaci di cambiare veramente la politica. Ora, per la prima volta, sento che c'è una tempesta di onestà che sta per spazzare via l'aria viziata dei corridori del potere. AVANTI COSI'! NON MOLLATE MAI!

caro Beppe ho votato e fatto votare per te per ottenere finalmente quei provvedimenti che sono necessari per riformare il nostro paese.
Ora questo successo ci dà la possibilità di farlo, ma da soli non è possibile, dobbiamo allearci con il partito democratico per dargli la possibilità insieme a noi di deliberare le leggi che ci interessano.
basta con i proclami e le offese a Bersani, prendiamoci le nostre responsabilità di governo.
Ricordati che se Bersani non ce la fa a casa ci andiamo anche noi e il paese precipita in un baratro di ingovernabilità: Pensa ai pensionati e ai risparmiatori che hanno avuto fiducia nelle tue proposte e vedi di realizzarle. In politica serve pragmatismo e non proclami. Giuliana Bonini Massa

Beppe,
I have seen your interview at the BBC. I must say I am not entirely convinced. If PdL and PD (meno L) need an excuse to come together again, it is you who are giving them this excuse. Do you realize that, just to survive, they can stay together for the next five years ... and what will be left of Italy after that?
Give a chance to the new government to start (without Berlusconi) and try to get done what is needed (conflict of interest, anti-corruption, reduced subsidies to political parties and media, cut the military expenses!). You can be sure that with such a program it will be the PD who will withdraw the "fiducia"... at that point they really will not have any excuse.
FC Kampala

It's worth watching the interview that Beppe gave to the BBC yesterday.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21610485

I think what we now have is Joseph And his Amazing Technicolor Dream Coat. I think he has truly lost the plot. His intransigence, despotic nature and hate shows that their is little difference between him and other Italian politicians. Ho hum.. here we go again with another round of Nero fiddles while Rome burns... unfortunately the country has already been reduced to ashes.

Grillo,

ho avuto il piacere di conoscerla di persona quando lavoravo per un centro satellitare a Benevento. Ho avuto stima per lei come comico nel passato, e ho stima di lei come persona nel presente. Capisco la sua posizione, ma onestamente le ultime sparate non aiutano ne me a rientrare in Italia, sono dovuto tornare a ricerca all'estero, ne i miei figli a sperare in un paese in cui crescere professionalmente. Per cortesia accetti la responsabilita' che gli Italiani le hanno dato e cerchi di ridirigere le sue energie verso un progetto costruttivo. Forse e' il momento di cambiare marcia sia per lei che per il PD. Per favore basta con le sparate, provi a vederci come bambini di fronte alle liti dei genitori. Spero che concordi nel fatto che la fermezza non si esprime attraverso gli insulti.

Confido sul suo buon senso e su quello di Bersani piu' che su quello di chiunque altro, per piacere guidateci.

Paolo Antonelli

Grillo,

I had the pleasure to meet you while working at a satellite station in Benevento. You had my respect as a young comedian, and you have it now as an individual. I do understand your position, but honestly your latest statements do not help neither me to come back to Italy, I had to leave the country once more to continue working as a researcher, nor my kids to grow professionally in our country.
Please embrace the responsibility the Italian people gave you, and try to direct your energy into a constructive project. Maybe this is a good time to switch gear, for you and for the Democratic Party. We had enough of this continuous confrontation, try to look at us as children in front their fighting parents. I hope you agree that strength and firmness are not expressed through abusive language.

I trust you and Bersani as a leaders more than the others, please lead us.

Dear Mr. Abdulkadir, compliments for your very good Italian. However, your issue is quite impossible: Mr. Grillo has a great sense of duty. Yours sincerely, Paolo Mazzarello

Dear Mr. Verhoeven, Mr. Grillo really does not force anyone to do business together because those guys will do them the same any way. However, it is correct you advice the M5S leader do not handle them this way: Gospel is always resort. Thanks for your comment. Yours truly, Paolo Mazzarello

Senatore Grillo,

Congratulazioni per la stra-ordinaria vittoria elettorale.

Ha ragione a dire Bersani morto che parla. Questo non significa, come leggo tra le righe, esclusione assoluta di ipotesi di governo con il PD. Sarebbe curioso di vedere la reazione del PD di fronte a una proposta di questo tipo. M5S sostiene o partecipa un governo di under 50, magari con Renzi Premier. Oppure governo di coalizione PD-M5S con compagine governativa di gente nuova, competente, onesta e giovane. No Bersani & Co.

Buon lavoro

Abdulkadir, Birmingham, UK.

Mr. Grillo, 26% of people voted for you and now after the elections you try to make them believe that you help them by running away and not taking responsability. You want to force Bersani and Berlusconi to do business together hoping that this fails and that you gain even more in new elections. You are playing political games with Italy.

And what you say about your opponents: In Holland we have a saying, you see the splinter in your opponents eye but not the rafter in your own eye !