The PD’s Cattle Market

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In the last few days, a cattle market has been in progress. The M5S is seeing a continuous stream of offers to head up the Lower House, commissions and even Ministries. The PDminusL has already done its back-room work to identify the M5S people for the various positions giving them the appropriate media exposure in its newspapers and TV channels. It’s the usual sluttish way of doing politics. However, to put it into effect, there have to be the people who are willing to sell themselves. And the M5S, its elected representatives, its activists, and its voters are not for sale. Bersani is not in the picture and he doesn’t realise that. The little games are over and when the abyss of Monte dei Paschi di Siena opens up, it’s possible that even the memory of the PDminusL will no longer be there. Renzi whose only credential is to have already been a professional politician without any worthwhile result is now putting himself forward as a candidate for the position of premier. But didn’t he lose the primaries? These people have faces like their backsides. To get him elected "Bersani and Errani are convinced that they have the definite support of many 5 Star senators. They reckon that they have done their research and identified the right people." In other words the PDminusL leaders are behaving like vulgar enticers. Is this politics? Buying and selling? State one thing the day before and contradict that the day after for post electoral convenience? The M5S is made up of responsible people that want a radical change of public morale, It’s impossible to stop it, especially with the usual political games. The M5S will vote in Parliament for each law that corresponds to its manifesto. It will not form alliances. This commitment: “The 5 Star MoVement parliamentarians will not form associations with other parties or coalitions or groups except for voting on the points it agrees with” is in the Code of behaviour for elected spokespersons of the 5 Star MoVement in Parliament. It’s been signed by all the candidates and made public to voters before the elections. These rules were known to everyone, including the politburo of the PDminus. If the PDminusL wants to transform the Lower House and the Senate into a Vietnam, the M5S is certainly not going to stand still and watch.

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Hi Beppe from Ireland,

We are interested in your "revolution". The established political system and media in Ireland are nervous to see the Italians thinking for themselves.

We in Ireland are willing to take a lot of pain to repair our country. We will deal with the banks later by way of a financial transaction tax to clawback all our taxes we had to give them.

However, we do not accept a Family Home Tax, like the rest of Europe. We think it is facist and dangerous to let the state into your home! Too much power.

I am a pensioner and I started a petition to stop the Family Home Tax at http://www.HometaxPetition.net

We wait to see the outcome of the great Italian awakening!

We may need you 5SM to run candidates in Ireland at the next election. We do not have a great choice here.

Rgs .....

Posted by: Ray Neuville | March 9, 2013 01:14 AM


Mr. Grillo,
Now that M5S has obtain so many seats in parlament, it is time to thing about governing . Stop talking nonsense, and start a dialogue to form a stable goverment in order to accomplish the reforms that M5S stands for. Do it for Italy.

Signor Grillo,
Ora che M5S rappresenta è ottenere un posto così tanti in parlamento, è il momento di pensare a governare. Smettila di dire sciocchezze, e avvia un dialogo per formare un Governo stabile al fine di realizzare le riforme che il M5S rappresenta. Fallo per l'Italia.

Posted by: Fernando Orlandi | March 7, 2013 05:07 PM


@ Luchino

Yes I do understand what you say. The problem is only that if a doctor explains me in very simple words that he amputated the wrong leg with somebody, than I still don't know how to amputate the right one. And even when he explains that in simple language, the patient will die if if carry out the operation.

Unfortunately often much more is needed than clear explaination alone. With some complicated issues, like the Euro, profound knowledge and a lot of experience in the field of knowledge is necessary to be able to make the right decisions.

Most experts who have these qualification are in favour of Italy staying within the Eurozone by the way !

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland.

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 5, 2013 02:05 AM


Hi Patrick!!In my opinion, Monti and his colleagues of past government had to explan economic problems with simple discource.For example ,if someone goes to hospital the doctors must explan problems in a simple way understandable!!!Because people must know problem and solutions!!!But if someone(like Monti)speaks about something with difficoult dicources and with a difficult language,people don't understand him!!!So the role of web and social networks is to diffuse(in a simple language)knowledges!!Did you understand??

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 02:16 PM


@ Luchino

Principly I am in favour of a referendum in Italy about the euro. Italy belongs to the italians, they are the boss so they should decide. And if they make the wrong decision in the referendum, they have to pay the for it.

Thusfar the theory...

Practically, the fast majority of voters will not have the knowledge to judge all the pro's and contra's of the Euro. You need to have a university degree to at least know most pro's and contra's and then you will still have trouble to judge the relevance of all of them. It is very complicated.

Furthermore you will see that people vote in favour or against the Euro for all kinds of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the euro.

Per example, in Holland we had a referendum about the european constitution some years ago. The majority rejected the constitution. Research showed that many voters voted against the european constitution mainly because they didn't like the government, mainly because they didn't like the possibility of Turkey entering the EU, mainly because they didn't like our financial contribution towards the EU and mainly because they didn't like the euro. All issues that had nothing to do with te constitution.

By the way, this fenomenon was not symmetrical: Research also showed that the people who votes in favour of the constitution stuck much closer to the issue at stake: The constitution itself.

So in theory a referendum is a beautiful thing. In reality though it often doesn't work so I wouldn't advise it to the italian people.

All this apart from the practical problems a referendum will cause because it will create a lot of economic uncertainty for Italy and Europa as a whole and uncertainty is the enemy to economic recovery.

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland.

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 4, 2013 02:03 PM


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/world/europe/beppe-grillo-italys-gadfly-reflects-a-movement.html?_r=0
Grillo's New York Times interview

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 01:13 PM


I think German people are only slaves of Merkel!!They don't have a brain .I hope Germany will fail!!

Posted by: MIRIO TRE | March 4, 2013 12:19 PM


italiadallestero.info/ Many foreign newspapers transleted in italian language :-D:-D:-D

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 08:45 AM


People !!What do you think about referendum of euro ??Would Italy become like Weimar Repubblic ??Or is this the only solution for italian problems ??And in your opinons,How can Grillo solve the big debt of Italy ??

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 08:16 AM


Beppe Grillo deve stare attento a quello che dice e a quello che fa; altrimenti si trasforma in un grilletto sempre in azione a sparare contro gli altri. Un grilletto che rende il mondo (secondo lui) un campo pieno di morti.

Posted by: Giuseppino Marcialis | March 4, 2013 07:39 AM


It's funny to read many of the comments below. One can see at a glance those who have long supported the manifesto of the 5SM, and the creeps who have never supported the movement.

The great majority of Italians have not prospered under the euro. Grillo has repeated called for a national referendum so that the Italian citizens can speak for themselves. Such a referendum would trigger the necessary debates for all Italians to be informed and to vote in the national interest, not what's in the interest of politicians and mafiosi.

Only the enemies of a democracy that is truly a democracy fear this referendum. These trolls are stunned by the rise of the 5SM, and are in a panic; this is why they support so-called coalitions with the discredited parties that are about to recede into oblivion.

Posted by: Peppino Vallessi | March 4, 2013 06:32 AM


Many people say Italy need to leave euro to solve its problems.But I think that with spending review and with a less burocraty its can become attractive for forenign bussiness !!!In fact many nations like Ireland ,Principato di MonteCarlo with their less society tax solved economic problems without only austerity .Too rules are a problem

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 12:00 AM


Many people say Italy need to leave euro to solve its problems.But I think that with spending review and with a less burocraty its can become attractive for forenign bussiness !!!In fact many nations like Ireland ,Principato di MonteCarlo with their less society tax solved economic problems without only austerity .Too rules are a problem

Posted by: Luchino | March 4, 2013 12:00 AM


Push them back Grillo! Italian people gave you the responsibility to change the Italian political system completely. You did not get All Those votes to comply with a wretched political system. We trust in you, in your stars and in the world you Told us you would build up.
Thanks in advance!
Franco Candido

Posted by: Franco Candido | March 3, 2013 11:52 PM


There are wheels within wheels in this country, and fires within fires...as Mrs Putnam would say.

Now that we are significant political force it is important to start a battle against the states within the states (SWS) that have killed democracy and efficiency in Italy,in the last 30 years.
It is a major political priority.
The most important SWSs such as ENEL (Italian electrical/Energy body), the INPS (the pension fund system), the Tax kingdom with its Equitalia Barons, Universities, the Local Health authority, RAI (the Italian radiotelevision system) and so many others, all act as separate kingdoms with their specific set of rules, their sub-barons appointed by politicians, their network of former-politicians, all pursuing their own interests, almost always in contrast with the general interest.
The Italian QUANGOs (quasi-non-governamental organizations (i.e. Italian Railways, ANAS et cet).always act as SWSs. Each political side or party has his referenced SWSs where they appoint - without any significant rule - their members or supporters. It Italy, SWSs supply jobs, money and power; the community can only hope they do not produce more damage than wasting money.
If they gain any money, the gain is divided among the barons of the SWSs. If they lose money, typically, the state has to support them.
Banks, in Italy, have a special role in this complex picture. They get public money - see the recent gifts from Monti-python - and use it to make more money, making personal and business loans impossible.
Now that we are in Rome, the black hole, it is imperative to stop, limit or control the activity of these states within the states. Without them the political parties - as we now see them, will die of starvation.
There is no point in destroying this party system without killing or incapacitating their little kingdoms where they fish for money and power, where they incubate their tadpoles of stock their dinosaurs
These states-within-the-state and QUANGOS should be identified, regulated according to general interests and killed if their interest is againts the values and interests of the community (see the local water authorities that very often make decisions againsts the interests of the population and waste money).
Also these SWSs often act in a regine of monopoly that stop any significant initiative aimed at improve a specific field (se the INPS, Italian Pension System or ENEL, the energy company). Monopoly should be heavily controlled according to general achievement.
We are collecting info about the SWSs from the local ones (ASL, local health authorities) to the national ones (INPS). Please write to us and suggests options and initiatives to present to the 5stars MPs.

Posted by: GIANNI BELCARO | March 3, 2013 09:59 PM


Scusa Grillo!!!MA PER QUALE PAZZO DI MOTIVO NON AGGIORNI LA VERSIONE INGLESE ????SULLA VERSIONE ITALIANA HAI MESSO UN SACCO DI POST CHE NON HAI TRADOTTO NELLA VERSIONE INGLESE .Viva il fascio!!dux mea lux :-D

Posted by: Mazzariell | March 3, 2013 08:13 PM


I think Italy need to change above all its school system .WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT COST OF UNIVERSITY(2000EUROS )??And,Italy need to become more modern :accept gay marriage ,using more English ,and Italy need to leave its old way to explan school subject !!!POST YOUR VIEW ABOUT THEMES LIKE ECO-ECONOMY ,EBOOK ,STUDENT EXCHANGE ...

Posted by: Luchino | March 3, 2013 07:59 PM


Dear Donato, thanks for your comment – question. Italy cannot do anything by itself, for example leaving EU. An old or new Lira cannot be proposed because nobody would be able to manage it, Italian bankers in the first place. More than cheating other peoples, Italians cheat themselves.

Posted by: G.P.Mazzarello | March 3, 2013 06:47 PM


Beppe Grillo
Di Antonino Palmeri

Il Risorgimento

Questo sarà la fine di un tempo
che presto darà l'inizio di un'era
cosa farà adesso il silenzio
come farà ad imporre il domani
ma spara il soldato
che guerra non vuole
ed implora Generale
la pace nel mondo.!!!!!

Il Papa ed i suoi popoli
che pregano il Signore
la gente sempre piu' debole
non sa piu' reagire
viva il Risorgimento
viva il movimento 5 stelle
viva il Risorgimento
viva il movimento 5 stelle

Attenti Grillini !!!!!!!!!
Teniamo la rotta !!!!!!!!!

Ma questo sarà
un'illusione del tempo
che mai ci darà!!!!!
pace nel mondo
Viva i Grillini Viva
Viva i Grillini Viva

Posted by: Antonino Palmeri | March 3, 2013 03:05 PM


I read that many people think Grillo is like Berlusconi .But I think that if someone want to judge Grillo he need to know what he said and know italian background .I'm italian and so I know italian background !!!If someone wants to know more you must see this http://m.youtube.com/watch?client=mv-google&gl=IT&hl=it&v=hdiJzMEGyXQ

Posted by: Luchino | March 3, 2013 12:46 PM


Dear Grillo - So far, the only "dead man talking" that I see is you. Show your supporters and the world that Italy does have a few responsible politicians. Show them that you are not just a loud mouth. Show them that you are not just a Berlusconi with hair. Take your responsibility and form a government with Bersani, pass the laws that need to be passed, and help Italy move forward NOW, not when you feel like it.

Posted by: Gregory Rossi | March 3, 2013 12:02 PM


@ Luchino

Luchino, I don't know the proper italian blogs. Furthermore I speak no italian so that's difficult. But if you want, you can post my comments on these blogs !

The problem with the Euro is that states can not be forced to accept certain measures to stabilize their finances. In Holland, a city which creates a financial mess can be forced to accept austerity measures. If it refussed the state has the ultimate means of sending the army to force the city to adopt better policies. In the eurozone that ultimate power mean is not present so in the end the eurozone can only work if every member is of good will. However, unfortunately it takes 17 to tango (17 euro countries) but only one to stop the music !

Upto now it is really a miracle that in the end verybody was of good will but there seems to have come an end to this fortune in the form of two destructive and iresponsible clowns: Grillo and Berlusconi.

So now the real problems for the Eurozone have only just begon unless a miracle happens!

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland.

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 3, 2013 11:43 AM


Assurdo è chiedersi chi e cosa c’è dietro Grillo. Tutta questa gente è altrettanto concreta e esistente come membri di altri partiti e possiede le stesse prerogative di esistenza come il resto della nazione...

Posted by: Andrea Pitigrillo | March 3, 2013 10:56 AM


I know that there are many problems in EU.And above all ,there are some nations better and some nations worses !!I think that is very important take solutions respecting other nations ,because we are a union !!In fact ,if Italy return to Lira it will be a domino effect in Nord Europe !!
I suggest to read this article by Munchau
ml.spiegel.de/article.do?id=838581
Now it's important European people compare their culture !!Because the most important thing is to solve IGNORANCE !!So I suggest you to write something also on Italian blog and facebook homepage .IT'S IMPORTANT TO SOLVE ITALIANS'S IGNORANCE :-D:-D:-D

Posted by: Luchino | March 3, 2013 08:22 AM


@ Luchino

Hi Luchino, I can tell you something about my country Holland and how we deal with economic problems.

First of all, dutch people also don't like tax increases and austerity measures, like all people of the world. Furthermore, corruption hardly plays a role in Holland which make things much easier.

The economy in Holland is in better shape than the italian one but still we go through a period of almost unseen spending cuts and tax increases to meet the criteria for the Euro (less than 3% deficit).

Besides that, we also go through a period of unseen reforms:
- Our labourmarket is reformed drastically: Unemployment payment periods are cut in half, firing workers will become much easier, life long education and job training has become the norm.
- Our real estate sector is dramatically reformed leading to a sharp fall in the value of real estate. This costs an average home owner 30.000 to 40.000 euro but on the long run it will reduce the average morgagedebt which is one of the goals of this reform.
- Our pensionsystem is being reformed. Everybody will have to work untill the age of 67 and from 2020 this age will automatically increase even further depending on the life expectancy of employees.

As a result of this some people were angry, some agreed. But no strikes, no riots and no election victories like that of clowns like Mr. Grillo and Mr. Berlusconi.

The only clown we have is Mr. Wilders (far right) but his main issue is islam not so much the economy.

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland.

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 3, 2013 02:16 AM


@ Luchino

Hi Luchino, I can tell you something about my country Holland and how we deal with economic problems.

First of all, dutch people also don't like tax increases and austerity measures, like all people of the world. Furthermore, corruption hardly plays a role in Holland which make things much easier.

The economy in Holland is in better shape than the italian one but still we go through a period of almost unseen spending cuts and tax increases to meet the criteria for the Euro (less than 3% deficit).

Besides that, we also go through a period of unseen reforms:
- Our labourmarket is reformed drastically: Unemployment payment periods are cut in half, firing workers will become much easier, life long education and job training has become the norm.
- Our real estate sector is dramatically reformed leading to a sharp fall in the value of real estate. This costs an average home owner 30.000 to 40.000 euro but on the long run it will reduce the average morgagedebt which is one of the goals of this reform.
- Our pensionsystem is being reformed. Everybody will have to work untill the age of 67 and from 2020 this age will automatically increase even further depending on the life expectancy of employees.

As a result of this some people were angry, some agreed. But no strikes, no riots and no election victories like that of clowns like Mr. Grillo and Mr. Berlusconi.

The only clown we have is Mr. Wilders (far right) but his main issue is islam not so much the economy.

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland.

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 3, 2013 02:14 AM


M5S apparently thinks to rule a country "a la carte". Just pick out what you like and reject responsibility for what you don't like. But a price has to be paid to make Italy economically healthy. Apparently someone else has to bare the pain. Impossible to rule a country like this in a fair way !

Nobody likes taxes, austerity measures and painfull but necessary reforms. If M5S ever gets a majority in parliament than this "a la carte" style of politics can only be put through if the majority is spaired at the disproportional expense of the minority. This is even more unfair than the policies of the "old" politics where M5S is so much against.

Recently Mr. Grillo said that he expects the old political system to collaps within half a year because than Italy can no longer pay it bills. This means that he thinks that Italy is close to bankrupcy. A bankrupcy will make the italians pay a tremendous price. It could lead to the bankrupcy of almost its entire banking sector and as companies in that case can no longer access their bankaccounts, it could lead to numerous bankrupcies of businesses and rocketing unemployment. If you know that your country is close to bankrupcy and if you realise the consequences, than I would say that you have extra reason to prevent it from happening. But this does not apply to the destructive mind of Mr. Grillo.

On the contrary, to make things worse, Mr. Grillo wants to return to the lire. The theory is that this new currency can be devaluated, making Italy more competetive and thus restoring its economy. Can you imagine what an oil price which suddenly is 50% to 100% higher will do to the remaining italian economy ?

Furthermore, devaluation policies are non-solutions. They can, in some casses, give an economy some breathing space but it is no real solution. It would be great if structural economic problems could be solved by simply turning the button of the exchance rate. Unfortunately life is not that simple. The bulk of the italian economic problems originate from the time when Italy regularly devaluated its currency. The effect was a temporary relief but also taking away the pressure to really modernise the economy. Just to give an exagerated comparison: If the italian economy would still be producing steam locomotives, even an exchange rate of 0 would not make Italy sell even one of them.

An economy is about organisation, quality of products, flexibility and practice shows that exchance rate policies alone undermine all of these. And if you decide to let these exchange rate policies coincide with structural reforms that you still have to carry these policies through, like today, There is simply no way around them !

So also economically Mr. Grillo stands for old policies. Back to the lire, back to the easy "solutions", back to "not thinking about tomorrow".

He says he also thinks that Italy should renegotiate it debts. This is an other word for simply not paying back all the debts in time or not at all. But these debt are fanancials amounts belonging to italians and foreigners. It this money is not repaid, this literally means in Holland that pensioners will get lower pensions as their pensionfunds have less money to pay their pensions. But the pension premiums they paid is money they worked for and now it is gone.

Mr. Grillo apparently has no problem with this. At best he said "thank you" and now he says "fuck you". This is old politics too !

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 3, 2013 01:31 AM


Hi everyone !!!I saw your comments !!I'm italian and I know very well italian problem like corruption ,mafia ,old school system ,Italians'work mentality !!!So,I think that principal italian problem is IGNORANCE !!So I ask you just one thing :POST SOME COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL SYSTEM ,YOUR WORK MENTALITY ,LIFESTYLE OF YOUR COUNTRY .Because everyone must be useful for other people :-D:-D:-D

Posted by: Luchino | March 3, 2013 12:41 AM


Dear Mr Grillo!

Allegedly some of your "Grillini", your members of the parliament want to be pragmatic and vote personally for one new prime minister.

So: Why do you not let them do so? They are small children. Be a father! Let them go away! They want to make their experiences on their own. Some of them will come back, some will not. Never mind. You keep your honesty and honour. The next election comes in any time. When you now stay honourful, you then will earn the winning points.

Best wishes for your project of renewing Italy. Europe could and should follow.
Yours, Paul
Buongiorno!

Posted by: Paul Rittler | March 3, 2013 12:13 AM


HOLD THE LINE Beppe! The whole world is watching, and remain amazed at your movement's power.
Thank you for the inspiration you give to not only to Italy, but to all of us, who are under the banker's corrupt regime.
Yes, bring back the Lira, let Italy once again rule herself and be an example to others of local democracy, back in action.
As an Italian American with property in Italy, I want my second homeland free as well.
Do not give an inch, the truth is with you!

Posted by: G Benincasa | March 2, 2013 09:55 PM


Invito Beppe Grillo a condannare la criminalizzazione della satira che ha avuto luogo negli Stati Uniti, dove certe "confessioni Gmail" inviati nel "nome" di un noto presidente di dipartimento accademico sono stati perseguiti per ignoranza come "furto di identità". Si veda questo articolo per i dettagli

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/nyregion/online-battle-over-ancient-scrolls-spawns-real-world-consequences.html

e vedere questo blog per la documentazione completa del caso:

http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/
Google

Posted by: D.J. Quixote | March 2, 2013 09:36 PM


I urge Mr. Grillo to condemn the criminalization of satire that has taken place in the United States, where self-accusatory "Gmail confessions" sent out in the "name" of a well-known academic department chairman have ignorantly been prosecuted as "identity theft." See this article for details

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/nyregion/online-battle-over-ancient-scrolls-spawns-real-world-consequences.html

and see this blog for full documentation of the case:

http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

Posted by: D.J. Quixote | March 2, 2013 09:15 PM


YOU AND YOUR VOTERS INCLUDING BERLOUSCONI ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING.
NOTHEING ELSE THAN CLOWNS
PLEEEESE LEAVE EU
WE DONT NEED YOU

Posted by: heinrich rau | March 2, 2013 07:16 PM


Dopo tanti anni mi rendo conto che tutto ciò che ho vissuto non ha servito a nulla. Tutte le libertà, rivoluzioni, tempeste, tutti gli amori che toccavano il cielo con parole ardenti, tutto ciò fisicamente arriva alla coscienza collettiva in forma di un Beppe Grillo (senza voler offenderci questa persona degna, senz’altro, di stima) che crede poter svolgere un ruolo qualunque (non so se ha capito che il popolo italiano dolce e amaro sceglierebbe tutto per non scegliere niente, come cambierebbe tutto per non cambiare niente). Adesso inizia anche il mercato di vacche...

Posted by: Andrea Pitigrillo | March 2, 2013 05:45 PM


Dopo tanti anni di vita mi rendo conto che tutto ciò che ho vissuto non ha servito a nulla. Tutte le libertà, rivoluzioni, tempeste, tutti gli amori che toccavano il cielo con parole ardenti, tutto ciò ora fisicamente arriva alla coscienza collettiva in forma di un Beppe Grillo (senza voler offenderci questa persona degna, senz’altro, di stima) che crede poter svolgere un ruolo qualunque (non so se ha capito che il popolo italiano dolce e amaro sceglierebbe tutto per non scegliere niente, come cambierebbe tutto per non cambiare niente). Adesso anche iniziamo il mercato di vacche...

Posted by: Andrea Pitigrillo | March 2, 2013 05:42 PM


Dear Mazzarello,do you think Italy need to go leave EU??And to retake the old Lira??In my opinion,we need to diffuse a mind-changing(above all,a new work mentality!!).
In fact,Italy is in this situation because everyone has thought about his interest.Italians need to understand that they mustn't cheat other people(the main example is Napoli and Camorra!!)

Posted by: Donato | March 2, 2013 02:13 PM


Dear Mr. Müller, treating women and girls – not only Bundeskanzler one - everybody should be kind. Mr. Grillo is so Italian that he wouldn’t be fit for Germany: more, Italy is only an almost extinct country and is in EU.

Posted by: G.P.Mazzarello | March 2, 2013 02:01 PM


Hi Toby Muller!!I admire your thought!!Unfortunately,now,the most part of italians think that problems of Italy in this period are created by Germany(with her politics of austerity).I think it's very wrong.The main problem is that when Euro was taken EU nations didn't follow the initial rules(like Maastricht traety).It was a too fast choice.
In your opinion,what is the best way to resolve this big problem and to save eurozone??

Posted by: Donato | March 2, 2013 01:58 PM


Hi Toby Muller!!I admire your thought!!Unfortunately,now,the most part of italians think that problems of Italy in this period are created by Germany(with her politics of austerity).I think it's very wrong.The main problem is that when Euro was taken EU nations didn't follow the initial rules(like Maastricht traety).It was a too fast choice.
In your opinion,what is the best way to resolve this big problem and to save eurozone??

Posted by: Donato | March 2, 2013 01:57 PM


Dear Beppo and colleagues,

congratulations and the best wishes from Germany to your success. I am pretty sure a lot of Germans would sympathise with large parts of your program if they would only know it better. The German press is not very good in explaining what is going on in Italy and the majority seems to think that Grillo and Berlusconi belong to the same class of irresponsible populists.

Whatever path you decide for, please prove your critics wrong and act as real statesmen. It is not only the future of Italy that is on your shoulders but also the future of Europe.

P.S. And please think about treating our poor Ms. Merkel a little less harsh in the future. You might be surprised to how much parts of your program she would agree, if you ask her in a more private conversation...

Posted by: Toby Müller | March 2, 2013 12:24 PM


bravoio sono invvalido civile100 mi segnalo uno schifo stipendio direttore inps 1 milione di wuro al mese e a me senza lobo frontale destro hanno tolto l accompagnamento so che hai cose piu importanti di me ma inps schifo nazionale ciao in bocca al lupo

Posted by: piogabbiani | March 2, 2013 09:47 AM


bravoio sono invvalido civile100 mi segnalo uno schifo stipendio direttore inps 1 milione di wuro al mese e a me senza lobo frontale destro hanno tolto l accompagnamento so che hai cose piu importanti di me ma inps schifo nazionale ciao in bocca al lupo

Posted by: piogabbiani | March 2, 2013 09:11 AM


bravoio sono invvalido civile100 mi segnalo uno schifo stipendio direttore inps 1 milione di wuro al mese e a me senza lobo frontale destro hanno tolto l accompagnamento so che hai cose piu importanti di me ma inps schifo nazionale ciao in bocca al lupo

Posted by: piogabbiani | March 2, 2013 09:11 AM


bravoio sono invvalido civile100 mi segnalo uno schifo stipendio direttore inps 1 milione di wuro al mese e a me senza lobo frontale destro hanno tolto l accompagnamento so che hai cose piu importanti di me ma inps schifo nazionale ciao in bocca al lupo

Posted by: piogabbiani | March 2, 2013 09:11 AM


Hi everyone !! I think the biggest italian problem is disinformation !!People usually know news watching TV!!and this a mistake because we know that tv channels are coupled with political factions !!We all know that Mediaset is Berlusconi's TV.
So I think this blog is a good this because people can speak togheter about problems and solutions !!
In your opinion ,what would be the best solution for italian problems??:-)):-))

Posted by: Donato | March 2, 2013 08:22 AM


Hi everyone !! I think the biggest italian problem is disinformation !!People usually know news watching TV!!and this a mistake because we know that tv channels are coupled with political factions !!We all know that Mediaset is Berlusconi's TV.
So I think this blog is a good this because people can speak togheter about problems and solutions !!
In your opinion ,what would be the best solution for italian problems??:-)):-))

Posted by: Donato | March 2, 2013 08:22 AM


I read this comment on the "Guardian" (English Newspaper),

"It is not funny at all: two unelected men speaking and deciding for 163 elected representatives. Very worrying and undemocratic. Grillo's ' liquid democracy' will turn to sewage if he does not let go of his megaphone."

Unfortunately it rings very true and I smell despotism in the air.

Posted by: Billy Blue | March 2, 2013 07:09 AM


So is this true at all? What do you have to say about it?

From The Guardian (UK left/liberal newspaper)

The Five Star Movement is not radical – Beppe Grillo is one of them, not us

Whatever rhetoric the multimillionaire may use, the M5S has merely intercepted discontent to create its political franchise

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/01/five-star-movement-italy-elections

Posted by: Tek Murphy | March 2, 2013 01:11 AM


If someone likes cattle market, should hear this song by Don Williams:
‘The sun is sinking in the west
The cattle go down to the stream
The redwing settle in their nest
Its time for a cowboy to sing..’
I see M5S supporters doing cowboys.

Posted by: G.P.Mazzarello | March 2, 2013 12:09 AM


Grillo,tu hai definito Bersani un "morto che parla" ma tu se continui cosi' sei un vivo che canta il 'Dies irae' anche per te stesso. Se Bersani e' "un morto che parla" pur essendo stato eletto dal 30% dell'elettorato, tu pure dovresti considerati "un morto che parla", altrimenti usi uno standard per te e uno standard per gli altri. Comunque e' evidente che non sai distinguere i commenti che possono farsi prima di una elezione con quelli che si possono (e non si possono) fare dopo una elezione. Le buffonate son belle quando fanno ridere tutti ma se solo una persona viene offesa non e' piu' buffonata ma maldicenza.

Posted by: Giuseppino Marcialis | March 1, 2013 11:47 PM


I read the above posts. No, it is much simpler (and worse). Should no serious reforms be made urgently (neither the PD, nor Mr Monti could do that, which is a statement already amply proven), Italy will crash. What can surely occur is a renaissance after the crash. It would be far more difficult that after the last world war,however, when most countries were down. Now countries like Germany, The Netherlands, Austria, etc are up. And they will stay up for still quite a time, until the last natural resources will be exhausted. Hire a learned person in thermodynamics (also of irreversible processes). Cheers, Franz.

Posted by: Franz | March 1, 2013 09:40 PM


>> Stick to your guns folks, posted Lorenzo Staunovo Polacco

This strategy means two things:

1 Mr. Grillo, do not join a coalition because than you will corrupt yourself with the methods of old politics. This means no Grillo-party in a government and exactly the old policies Mr. Grillo is against because than the old parties have to form the government.

2 Mr. Grillo has to wait as long as it takes for his party to get a majority alone or untill his party together with similar parties have a majority. Untill that time, and that may take a long time, old politics rules.

By not joining the government (after serious negotiations) Mr. Grill, at least for the time being, leaves Italy to the old forces and does not have a chance to really change Italy. He basicly contributes to a situation he says he wants to change.

This is completely counter productive and given the economic circumstances Italy is in, completely iresponsible.

Mr. Grillo should agree to SERIOUS negotiations with Mr. Bersani. If these negotiations fail only than Mr. Grillo has a right to speak if he intends to stay on the sideline, not sooner, not now !

Patrick Verhoeven, Holland

Posted by: Patrick Verhoeven | March 1, 2013 08:54 PM


Stick to your guns folks. Do not fall for the temptations that these dirty, corrupted politicians are presenting. They are trying to lure you with power and to suck you into the old system. Stick to your guns. Let's change this country, once and for all!

Posted by: Lorenzo Staunovo Polacco | March 1, 2013 08:33 PM


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