Online consultation: the European political group for M5S


Following the European elections on 25 May, the M5S has had talks with European Parliament political groups. For each one, you can see the possible points of contact in their political agenda and the willingness to welcome the 17 M5S MEPs. Contact has been made with the General Secretary or with the Chair of the group (outgoing or newly appointed) as these are representatives of a unified political intention in relation to the member delegations. Statements made by individual MEPs or single delegations have not been considered to be representative, as they do not have the authority to make an agreement that will be respected once the citizens have voted in the online consultation.

The European political groups that have officially shown interest in the Italian delegation of the M5S are “Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD)” and “European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR)”. To complete the picture, we can add that the “Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE)”, the most pro-European and federalist group that already exists in the European Parliament, has also expressed a unitary position, but has said that it considers the M5S’s “Seven points for Europe” to be "completely incompatible with their pro-Europe agenda " and has defined the M5S as being "profoundly anti European" and its programme as being "unrealistic and populist".

On the basis of these consultations, M5S signed up members can today choose the following options:

EFD (Watch Nigel Farage’s video presentation)
In the previous legislature, this is the group that offered the most strenuous opposition to the federalism that is based on austerity and the concentration of power in the hands of the non-elected bureaucrats in Brussels. The EFD is against the euro that has generated poverty and unemployment. UKIP, the largest party in the EFD group, believes in direct democracy and it is a party that is against any form of discrimination, and within its membership there are people of different genders and ethnic groups who have come together to defend freedom and democracy. The party is against the power of the big banks and the multinationals. It’s against excessive bureaucracy, it devotes just 15% of its budget to its administrative structure, and thus frees up many resources for political activity and for communications. It is willing to change the name and to work with the M5S to choose another one. It is guaranteeing sufficient weight to deal with issues where there is a common position, but at the same time, it is offering complete freedom to vote on issues where the political agenda differs from that of the M5S.

ECR (Watch the video presentation)
The group came into being as an expression of the British Conservatives (Tories). It wants to reform the European Union by opposing federalism on the basis of a euro-realism that respects the sovereignty of the Member States. It believes in free enterprise and trade. It believes that the European Union should put an end to waste and excessive bureaucracy. The ECR has a consolidated administrative structure that provides extensive support to political activity. Furthermore, just like the EFD, the ECR offers the M5S complete voting freedom on those issues where there is not a common position.

Non-Attached Members
The M5S deputies can decide not to join any political grouping. In this case they will automatically be seated in the benches of the "Non-Inscrits". Being one of the “Non-Inscrits” means that one has limited influence (or no influence) on legislative activity in the European Parliament. The "Non-Inscrits" cannot hold official positions ( Committee Chair, parliamentary vice-presidencies, etc..), nor can they vote in the main decision-making body of the European Parliament (the Conference of Presidents) and they have no way of ensuring that the topics that are important for the M5S, are at the centre of the legislative agenda in Europe.

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Voting takes place between 10.45 am and 7.00 pm (Italian time) today, 12 June 2014. Before voting, have a look at this video. VOTE ONLINE!

PS: If the solution that gets the most votes doesn’t turn out to be practicable, the second favourite will be followed up.

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when are you going to quit the EU Cameron?
isn't that what you have said?

David Cameron: 'UK could quit EU if Jean-Claude Juncker elected new president'

David Cameron has warned that he could not guarantee the UK’s membership of the European Union if Jean-Claude Juncker is elected as the European Commission president, German magazine Der Spiegel has reported.

Mr Cameron is reported to have told German Chancellor Angela Merkel that if the ex-Luxembourg prime minister takes up the presidency, it could destabilise his Government to the extent that an in-out referendum would be need to be brought forward.

Posted by: john buatti | June 13, 2014 07:26 PM


UK Prime Minister David Cameron has suffered a setback in his battle to prevent Jean-Claude Juncker getting the EU's top job.

cheers Cammeron ....have a beer...

Posted by: john buatti | June 13, 2014 07:11 PM


which side are you on...

Posted by: john buatti | June 13, 2014 06:56 PM

With a bit of luck Niggle Fartage, a racist, beer-swilling fascistoid, could end up doing time for tax fraud, then what will Grullo's M5s EMPs do without a gang leader?

Posted by: John Waddington | June 13, 2014 06:30 PM

What a terrible choice.
Old school anti-European tories.
Surely there must be other parties?
I believe that we must not forget our integrity in the interests of short term goals.

Posted by: Justin | June 13, 2014 06:41 AM



Italy's Beppe Grillo joins Nigel Farage's 'people's army'
Beppe Grillo's 17 MEPs are to march in Nigel Farage's "people's army" to bring down the EU

Beppe Grillo, the Italian comedian who is head of Italy's anti-euro Five Star Movement is to team up with Nigel Farage to "bring down Brussels" from within the European Parliament.

Following an online poll on Thursday 78 per cent of Five Star members, or 23,121 people, voted to join Mr Farage's Europe of freedom and democracy group in a personal triumph for the Ukip leader.

"I am extremely pleased with this result," he said.

"I look forward to working with 5 Star Movement very much to provide a genuine voice of opposition in the European Parliament. We will be the people's voice."

Only 10 per cent, or 2,930 voted to join David Cameron's Conservative grouping despite an online video appeal from Sayed Kamall, a Tory MEP, for Mr Grillo's MEPs to join them instead of Ukip.

Mr Grillo met Mr Farage in a Brussels curry restaurant, the Ravenstein Brasserie, two weeks ago to discuss the alliance and told his members that the Ukip leader has "a sense of humour and sense of irony".

The Italian comedian whose party claims to be neither Left nor Right leaning, holds a much stronger position on immigration than many of his MPs and MEPs, who have previously voted against anti-immigrant measures.

A key part of the deal between the two men, who have been nicknamed the "Grillage people" in Brussels, is a promise by Mr Farage that Five Star's 17 MEPs will be free to vote according to their principles.

"We operate as a loose association of people. No one is whipped and told how to vote provided they adhere to the principles of the group," Mr Farage told Five Star members in a video appeal.

"We're an open minded party. The reason we've been taking stick is the same reason youメve been taking stick; for taking on the establishment."

Mr Farage successfully warned the Italian Eurosceptics who want a referendum on Italy's euro membership against joining the Conservatives after past comments by George Osborne warning that the loss of national sovereignty is a price that countries must pay for preventing the single currency's collapse.

"Remember the Conservative chancellor says that it is the inexorable logic of the euro that all those countries involved must sign up to a fiscal compact and must begin to build what will be a United States of Europe," said Mr Farage.

Mr Grillo took 21 per cent of the Italian vote, giving him 17 seats in the European parliament and making his Five Star Movement the second biggest party in Italy.

Mr Farage won the British vote to take 24 seats, giving both a powerful base in the EU assembly where Ukip is locked in rivalry with Marine Le Pen's Front National.

His alliance with Mr Farage is will also joined by Czech, Dutch, and Lithuanian MEPs leaving Ukip two countries short to qualify as publicly funded group in the EU parliament.

"This gives a great confidence boost to those other delegation members who are coming to sign up to our common group next week. This feeds into a process of solidifying what should be a big group," said Mr Farage, who is holding talks with MEPs from five countries.

Posted by: john buatti | June 13, 2014 01:35 AM


Puo’ ripartire l’economia, nella società dell’imbroglio, del clientelismo, dei padrini ? Una società a-coesa ?

Se in un Paese, per la sua mentalità, che è latino-americana (anche inItalia ?
Si ! )(1), la doppiezza della vita sociale/politica è generalmente capace di fingere la promozione di buoni risultati sociali, di nascondere il perseguimento di obiettivi nascosti e tornaconti privati, quel Paese avrà, oggi o domani, una “societàchenonfunziona”. Definizione di una “societàchenonfunziona”: quella che dà il potere ai magliari ed ai fingitori di capacità gestionali di eccellenza.

Il potere potrà farsi aiutare da “scugnizzi con stipendiucci”, incaricati di : a) convincere il popolo ignorante che il potere si occupa del presente e del futuro del Paese ; b) portare le borse negli spostamenti e nelle fiere di fatue illusioni (congressi di partito e simili); c) organizzare delle gestioni istituzionali che, senza mostrarlo, portino il “grano” alle cricche del potere, spremendo con le tasse e abusando dei cittadini e dei loro diritti. Si tratta del miglior modo per introdurre la povertà.....

Questo tipo di arretratezza sociale (di conseguenza mental-sociale), che porta al disastro (se non è combattuto fortemente e se non è sconfitto da cittadini e imprenditori) puo’ prendere piede facilmente nei Paesi tolleranti o lassisti. Qualche esempio ? I Paesi latino americani, l’Italia, la Grecia, forse qualche altro Paese balcanico.

La società dalle tre “C” (Corruzione, Confusione, Clientelismo)è ormai affermata. Dove finirà ? In America Latina o nel Magreb ?

Dal 1861 in poi

A seguito dell’andazzo negativo che inizio’ dopo l’unità del territorio italiano, non solo non fu fatta la prima cosa necessaria, l’Unione delle teste :

E successe cosi un secondo fatto spiacevole : la creazione, provocata dalla politica, di due Italie : a) quella formale-istituzionale, che poco funziona ; b) quella del sottofondo (fatta di iniziative di tornaconto, generalmente nascoste).

Gli Italiani si adattarono da tempo (è la loro specialità : accettare TUTTO e non reagire) alla complicità, al sottinteso, al non detto, al disinteresse per il modello europeo (cioé cittadino e stato che vanno a braccetto, che è l’unico approccio al progresso, vedi Paesi avanzati d’Europa).

L’Italia sociale non è mai nata, Prezzolini scrisse “Italiani ? Pecore anarchiche”....

Dunque il cittadino italiano, non riuscendo a capire il colore e la direzione delle iniziative dello stato, appena formato ma poco aperto, poco veritiero ( condizionato, se non ricattato talora, da congreghe e associazioni nascoste), assunse con il tempo questo stato mentale/comportamentale :

- la politica, non si capisce :
- l’interesse dei cittadini ? Si dice : “Se cambia il governo, speriamo..., allora tutto andrà forse meglio”. Niente da fare...
- cambiano i governi, talora anche le cricche influenti nell’ombra. E la certezza del diritto per i cittadini non fu mai né cercata né ottenuta dai ministri dei vari governi ;
- per soddisfare i propri bisogni, gli Italiani, vedendo sordi i poteri politici, si rivolgono alle cricche che operano nell’ombra ;
- i comportamenti del cittadino, in tale ambiente fittizio di Doppio Scenario nelle istituzioni, divennero esitanti, scettici, grigi, senza speranza; le facce divennero senza colore, sonnolente e frustrate. Le capacità professionali pubbliche divennero... quel che vedete.

Nacque cosi l’Italia asociale, quella che se ne frega dello stato e delle sue leggi, ove i cittadini hanno sfiducia e rassegnazione stampate sul volto (il passo successivo sarà l’evasione) e lo combatte nella misura in cui accetta connivenze e inquinamenti da parte di congreghe, le quali non conoscono né le leggi
dello stato, né i valori positivi per la coesione, né la condotta virtuosa, né la promozione dell’Istruzione e della Cultura.

Divenuto cosi il cittadino uno che sopporta abusi e prepotenze, la sua spina dorsale si rammolli, divenne di cotone intriso di un liquido dal nome “impotenza, rassegnazione”. Le sue incapacità sociali - ad esempio di associarsi per realizzare i propri diritti finora teorici - non nacquero mai....

E la finta Nazione Italia, senza leggi che funzionino, senza motivazione e capacità del potere di lavorare per essa, senza affermazione della forza dello stato per realizzare i diritti e gli obblighi dei cittadini. Lo stato non è mai stato capace di realizzare gli obiettivi che, 150 anni fa, aveva fissato per gli Italiani.

A obiettivi mancati, sprechi di risorse assicurati. A finzioni pubbliche diffuse, fallimenti garantiti. A doppiezza politica, imbrogli assicurati. A cittadino senza midollo, stato di pastafrolla. All’irresponsabilità sociale, delusioni frequenti.....

Mazzini scrisse : “La Patria non è unione di territorio e basta. La patria è concordanza, unione di sentimenti, unione del disegno e del destino di Nazione !”

D’Azeglio propose : “Fatta l’Italia, bisogna fare gli Italiani”.
Ambedue questi veri Italiani (nell’anima) non furono ascoltati. Sarebbe stato fastidioso per certe persone che preferiscono operare nell’ombra, che dette due raccomandazioni fossero applicate. Notare che “Fare gli Italiani” comporterebbe l’uso di una pedagogia della realtà, dell’efficienza, delle virtu civiche, della costruzione sociale, dell’orgoglio nazionale, che non si è mai voluto inventare, per incapacità, per assenza di impegno, per tornaconto, per stupidità...

Amarum in fundo : un governo di professori (riferim. a Monti) attuo’ l’impegno di affermare la credibilità dell’Italia, ottenuta con l’imposizione di tributi elevati. Ma sembra non abbia fatto quell’analisi sociale che è necessaria per capire quali strumenti e valori negativi hanno affermato ed installato nella società quel “potenziale di scasso sociale” che conduce il Paese ad una Caporetto.
E senza analisi corretta, neanche un governo di professori potrà dare un timone sicuro a quella barcaccia sgangherarta che si chiama Italia...La prossima associazione all’America Latina si capiva già tre anni fa. Ora è confermata, con stridore di denti, con stress e rabbia dei giovani disoccupati, ma anche di adulti che vorrebbero certezze, lavoro, serietà, diritti applicati.
Sarà forse opportuno svegliarsi ?

Ulrich Realist
(disponibile per testimoniare il grande malinteso sociale italiano)

Posted by: Ulrico Reali | June 12, 2014 06:36 PM

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