Citizen Primaries: Energy. Marco Pannella

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Marco Pannella has sent me this letter about the Citizen Primaries on Energy. In fact it is dedicated to the excessive birth rate and to the consequent dangers for our future.

It’s obvious that we are of two different types. If it were up to him we’d all be extinct by now, if everyone was like me with 6 children, there’d be 25 thousand million of us……


Dear Grillo,

You know how close they are to my heart the inspirations, objectives, urgencies that you propose and that your ideas are moving consciences, starting debates and finding consensus; starting from renewable sources and stretching to the reduction of waste, to get benefit from the mountains of rubbish that submerge and pollute the world, to the promotion and protection of independent producers. Please excuse me with all the commitments that have been keeping me totally busy that I haven’t yet found the time to write to you about your document on energy resources.

However not all that is bad actually causes harm, the document is useful, valuable, but I’d say it’s also “other”.

Beppe, “how much, what and how we consume and produce” is the problem that thanks to your help we can now try to face up to so that we can fill in the gaps that have been the result of decades of disastrous energy policies, where petrol has been the fuel corrupting Parties and the State, the fuel causing the creation of and the support to bloody dictatorships. But at the origin of all this, we need to ask ourselves who this is for and who owns this? To sum up “How many are we?” “Energy” for whom? For how many? For 3, 6, 9 and so on thousands of millions of “people” of consumers?

If Chinese Nazi Communism had not established for generations to prevent (like Nazis) the rise in birth rate, using the force of the State to exterminate foetuses and newborn infants, and “guilty” parents, what point would we already be at?

If we don’t immediately take the road of a “gentle return” of the planet’s population from more or less  6 thousand million people to half that over a period of about 4 or 5 generations, of a century, we will continue to be overcome by the birth-rate tsunami that has seen over the last few decades allies like fundamentalists clerics, with the Vatican in the lead, as well as the Soviet Imperial power and fascists, nazis, totalitarians of every type, who have imposed and continue to do so the procreation of humanity, to multiply like beasts, irresponsibly thus condemning hundreds of children to die of hunger, suffer privations, wars…

Summing up, a vigorous, immediate demographic policy of “gentle return” seems to me to be co-essential to bring about energy saving policies and investments in renewable sources for the future of our country as presented in the document on energy resources.

I repeat: fascism, nazism, Stalinist communism, Vatican fundamentalisms, Talebans, and those nationalists and racists have once more suggested these days maddening birth rate policies.

Today, we have in Italy electoral programmes, and Party conferences are reciting a common dogma: “defence of the family”. And for “family” they mean continuous reproduction, intensified, with incentives provided by the State, with millions of  tips to every newborn, allowances and tax breaks for families with many children. Is there no voice raised against, apart from the usual Radicals? The Rose in the fist? The daisy and the UDC, Mastella and the League are dragging the powerful people the F.I. even on their knees are the D.S., the Greens and the “distracted” Communists.

The family? Which? What social rights, “ethics” politicians for their “constituents”, women and men of every latitude, colour, opinion, religion? Beppe, even you are of an age to remember – there are still lots of us – but we are about to be overcome if the “others”, the “young” don’t know: “God, Patria, Family”. The “bomb” is not the “nuclear” one, unless in terms of risk and of danger. It is the “demographic bomb” it will explode in more than a century and in its path it will destroy everything: nature, humanity, planet, it is infecting our world and its surroundings.

Shall we send out this SOS, this MayDay? I’ve been  ready for some time to lend a hand and do more than that. From the time of the Club of Rome, when we proposed having Aurelio Peccei (and who’s he?) as Presidente del Consiglio…

But what a disaster that tribe of sex-phobics, of absolutists, of desperate people, of blasphemers, of those accumulators of gold and powers, of impotents and over-powerful, disembarked, once more, from one side of the River Tiber to the other, and what desperation of the powerful, over-powerful and impotent who are here, who opened the big and little doors of the Palace for them and their stories and their consciences!

Marco Pannella

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Try to imagine how physisists reacted when Maxwell said that light was made of waves, or when Einstein said that there is NOT an absolute time?
This too is amazing... takes me by surprise. I know nothing, I think I need to think about it for a little while...

Posted by: Nicola Scardi | August 26, 2008 03:49 AM


From Wikipedia:

"RIENTRODOLCE is an association contiguous to Radicali Italiani, which concerns itself with overpopulation, environment and energy. Its name comes from Marco Pannella's idea of a "mild return" ("rientro dolce" in italian) to a world with 2 billion human beings. The association considers overpopulation the primary cause of the humanitarian, environmental and energetic crisis of our planet. It aims to inform and convince the society, the mass media, the intellectuals and the politicians of the necessity, along with the other environmental measures, of a reduction of the world population, in full respect of human rights and individual liberties.

The association has a discussion group, which is not limited to the association's members but it is open to everybody. Among the group's members are William N. Ryerson, Marco Pannella, Luigi De Marchi, Maria Luisa Cohen, Andrea Furcht and others."

To visit the English section of Rientrodolce website, go to www.rientrodolce.org and click on the English flag. We need your help!

Posted by: Alberto Licheri | February 18, 2006 11:35 PM


I don't want to enter in this debate with what is bad and what is wrong, but I just want to point out a paradox, a very funny paradox:
Italian birth rate is the worse in the world while italians are supposed to be the most catholics.
-Does it means that dispite the church they use to do like they want?
-Does it means that they all respect the precepts of the church until the end?
So , in the first case we can say that they are catholics just one hour a week in the sunday morning when they go to the mess. In the second case we can say that they don't use contraceptives and use the Ogino methode to control their selves. In any case, we can say that till the 60ies, italian families were biggers and italians use to emigrate because there was no job and room for everybody while now, for the first time in his life, Italy became one of the most atractive places in the world for immigration.

Posted by: sommarti jaio | February 18, 2006 06:53 AM


“The Easter Islanders, aware that they were almost completely isolated from the rest of the world, must surely have realized that their very existence depended on the limited resources of a small island. After all, it was small enough for them to walk round the entire island in a day or so and see for themselves what was happening to the forests. Yet they were unable to devise a system that allowed them to find the right balance with their environment.”
-- Clive Ponting

“The prevailing view holds that a stable population that does not tax the
environment’s “carrying capacity” and would be sustainable indefinitely, and that this state of equilibrium can be achieved through a combination of birth control, conservation, and reliance on “renewable” resources. Unfortunately, worldwide implementation of a rigorous program of birth control is politically impossible. Conservation is futile as long as population continues to rise. And no resources are truly renewable.” - David Price (Energy and Human Evolution)

“It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develop a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spreeead to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern; a virus. The human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague” - The Matrix (Film)

“Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. This is as true of humans in the finite space of a planetary ecosystem as it is of molecules in a sealed flask. The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.” -Pardot Kynes (First Planetologist of Arrakis)

“POPULATION GROWTH DESTROYS DEMOCRACY. I like to use what I call my bathroom metaphor: If two people live in an apartment and there are two bathrooms, then both have freedom of the bathroom. You can go to the bathroom anytime you want to stay as long as you want for whatever you need. And everyone believes in freedom of the bathroom; it should be right there in the Constitution. But if you have twenty people in the apartment and two bathrooms, no matter how much every person believes in freedom of the bathroom, there is no such thing. You have to set up times for each person, you have to bang on the door, "Aren’t you through yet?" In the same way, democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive overpopulation. Convenience and decency cannot survive overpopulation. As you put more and more people onto the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn’t matter if someone dies, the more people there are, the less one person matters.” - Isaac Asimov on the Bill Maher Show 1989

“We are killing the planet as a life support system. And we may have gone so far already that there's no recovery from it. The game may be over. Just to cheer you up. I think the earth's immune system is trying to get rid of us, and it's high time it did. My goodness, we are a disease on the face of this planet. You know, after two world wars, the Holocaust, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, The Roman games, The Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of women in public squares. It's time we got out of here and I think we ought to become "syphilis with a conscience" and stop reproducing.” – Kurt Vonnegut on the Bill Maher Show 2005

“The road to the future leads us smack into the wall and we simply ricochet off the alternatives that destiny offers. The wall is a demographic explosion that triggers social chaos and spreads death, nuclear delirium and the quasi-annihilation of the species… Our survival is no more than a question of 25, 50 or perhaps 100 years.” -Jacques Cousteau (1910 - 1997)

“A disease has infected our country. It has brought smog to Yosemite, dumped garbage in the Hudson, sprayed DDT in our food, and left our cities in decay. Its carrier is man.” - Senator Gaylord Anton Nelson (1916 - 2005) Founder of Earth Day

“It is a simple logical truth that, short of mass emigration into space, with rockets taking off at the rate of several million per second, uncontrolled birth-rates are bound to lead to horribly increased death-rates. It is hard to believe that this simple truth is not understood by those leaders who forbid their followers to use effective contraceptive methods. They express a preference for “natural methods” of population limitation, and a natural method is exactly what they are going to get. It is called starvation.” - Richard Dawkins (The Selfish Gene)

“I question whether technological growth can keep us ahead of the consumption wolf pack. Particularly if we're trying to export a consumption-based economy to the whole world. At some point we need to say enough is enough.” - Kurt Yeager (President and CEO of the industry-funded Electrical Power Research Institute)

“Urban growth is a pyramid scheme. A few people make a killing, some make a living at it, the many pay for it and the planet is dying for it." - Andy Kerr

“We are being bred for slavery by the corporate elite. We are their cattle. Perched outside the limit of our sight, they are feeding on us, from birth to death.” – They Live (John Carpenter Film)

“It's ironic that those who till the soil and cultivate and harvest the fruits, vegetables, and other foods that fill your tables with abundance have nothing left for themselves.” - Cesar Chavez

“Relief for hungry children is nothing but a symptom of accelerated ignorance, unaware of how a world forecloses on invading circumstance.” - Roy Harper (Ghost Dance)

“Our problem results from acting like cowboys on a limitless frontier when in truth we inhabit a living spaceship with a finely balanced life-support system." – David C. Korton

"This is not a dress rehearsal for the apocalypse. This is not a pseudo-millennium. This is the real thing folks. This is not a test. This is the last chance before things become so dissipated that there is no chance for cohesiveness." - Terence McKenna

"The bottom line for our species is that because of population growth and the fivefold economic expansion since 1950, the environmental demands of our economic system now overtax the available environmental space of the planet. This has brought us to a historic transitional point in the evolutionary development of our species from living in a world of open frontiers to living in a full world - in a mere historical instant. We now have the option of adjusting ourselves to this new reality or destroying our ecological niche and suffering the consequences.” – Unknown

Posted by: Zimba | February 16, 2006 06:53 PM


Le preoccupazioni di Pannella (che sono anche quelle del Dalai Lama) mi sembrano pienamente condivisibili. Fin da bambino non ho mai capito quelli che parlavano della superiorita' dell'uomo sulle altre specie animali o vegetali: perche' mai gli uomini avrebbero il diritto di invadere il pianeta preoccupandosi della salute del mondo eventualmente soltanto perche' e' messa in pericolo la propria sopravvivenza?
Inoltre non me ne importa niente se i miei genitori non mi avessero fatto nascere, che discorsi sono? Se fosse accaduto qualcosa per cui non fossi nato ora sarei ugualmente contento: perche' tutto questo egoismo? Perche' pretendere di avere il diritto di nascere proprio noi, quando milioni di miliardi di persone, animali o piante non sono MAI nati e mai nasceranno, per un puro accidente del caso? Vorrei piuttosto che chi e' gia' nato potesse avere una vita piu' possibile dignitosa.
Complimenti a Marco Pannella per avere avuto il coraggio di sottoporsi al giudizio sempre feroce dei forum su internet con un argomento difficile; vorrei fare presente che Pannella ha posto questo tema anche al congresso del suo attuale partito, la Rosa nel Pugno, nel quale diceva appunto che questo sara' uno dei problemi piu' gravi che dovremo affrontare nei prossimi anni, lasciando sul momento perplessi i delegati e all'inizio anche me. D'altra parte non gli si puo' dare torto: ecologia senza contenimento della popolazione non puo' funzionare, perche' anche se individualmente riuscissimo a consumare pochissimo e a produrre pochissimo pattume, l'ambiente non riuscirebbe comunque a riciclare tutto; se fossimo molti di piu' avveleneremmo la terra comunque; d'altra parte succede anche il contrario, cioe' che poche persone riescono ad inquinare tantissimo, per cui il contenimento della popolazione da solo non basta.
D'altra parte il rientro dolce che Pannella propone (che e' l'unica proposta praticabile) che e' quella di sensibilizzare la gente riguardo al problema lasciando la completa' liberta' a tutti, puo' funzionare? Probabilmente puo' fare poco; certo poco e' meglio di niente o addirittura delle politiche che favororiscano la natalita' (il fatto che in Italia la "non c'e' questo problema" non c'e'tra niente, se si inquina in un paese si fa danno a tutto il pianeta).

Posted by: Marco Basset | February 16, 2006 03:36 PM


I know Prof. Luigi De Marchi very well, because I worked just graduated as psychologist by AIED (Associazione Italiana Educazione Demografica). Even if I don't completely agree with Pannella's point of view, I thank De Marchi for the done job in the struggle against sexual taboos. At those times the free and responsible procreation was an item of news in Italy.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | February 15, 2006 07:17 PM


An interesting article from Professor Luigi De Marchi on this subject

Population Explosion has been described as "the Mother of All Contemporary Tragedies" because hunger, thirst, war, poverty, mass unemployment, pollution, mass migrations and desertification are obviously and strictly connected with the dramatic 5-fold increase which brought mankind from 1,2 billion in 1900 to 6 billion people at the end of the century. In order to adequately evaluate this increase one must be aware that the increase of human population in one single year , at the end the past century, was equal to its increase during the first Millennium of the Christian era.

But, in spite of its unparalleled gravity and impact on all major human problems, population explosion has been ignored throughout the past century, not only by political and religious leaders but also by their lackeys in demographic Departments, forcing some keen observers to conclude that the greatest tragedy in population explosion is not its scale and impact but its total denial by the political, religious and scientific establishment.

This denial cannot be explained logically , but only psychologically . All major religious and political dogmas during the last century, from Catholicism to Islamism, from Fascism to Communism, in spite of their proclaimed contrasts in all other areas, have unanimously rejected all programs of population control or family planning in their national and international policy. Why ? In our opinion, because contraception inevitably involves an attack on the sexual taboos which, as political psychology has demonstrated, are a basic pillar of religious and political fanaticism and because the multiplication of breads and fishes is a basic promise of all political and religious Paradises.

Now, after a repression of half a century due to Christian and Islamic, Fascist and Communist hierarchies and a mass murder of half a billion babies starved to death, 10 million women killed by illegal abortion, 200 million young men killed by territorial wars and other incalculable multitudes killed by poverty, mass unemployment and genocides, the issue of overpopulation is once again imposing its overwhelming profile to the international community, because neither brilliant economists nor fascinating ideologists can explain one single plain fact - i.e. the only Third World countries which have defeated poverty, unemployment and underdevelopment are those (China, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore) which have simultaneously adopted free market economy and birth control.

But how can we obtain rapid population control without adopting the coercive policies of China ? Once again psychology, and motivational psychology in particular, can offer a valid answer, as Italian specialized studies have persuasively shown. However, this answer, as all birth control measures, must be sustained politically by democratic Governments by conditioning all kinds of economic and social help for Third World countries to the adoption of birth control in their national policies.

Prof. Luigi De Marchi

Posted by: Nicola Scardi | February 15, 2006 05:25 PM


"Slay those unproductive old people, behead people 40 years old and over, slay the poors, slay handicaped, slay non-perfects! We are too many, let's decide now who has the right to life! leave only productive young people, Arghhhhhhh! "

Notwithstanding your good knowledge of english, your comments demonstrates you haven't got a clue of what Pannella is saying. Does the words "gentle return" mean something to you???

Posted by: Nicola Scardi | February 15, 2006 02:43 PM


Pannella is mad, that's right, but I don't think he would kill all unproductive people, older than 40! (I hope! I'm older!)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | February 14, 2006 03:07 PM


Slay those unproductive old people, behead people 40 years old and over, slay the poors, slay handicaped, slay non-perfects! We are too many, let's decide now who has the right to life! leave only productive young people, Arghhhhhhh!

Seriously, Pannella is mad.

Posted by: Riccardo Vestrini | February 14, 2006 11:44 AM


Try to imagine how physisists reacted when Maxwell said that light was made of waves, or when Einstein said that there is NOT an absolute time?
This too is amazing... takes me by surprise. I know nothing, I think I need to think about it for a little while...

Posted by: Emmanuele Da Iglesias | February 14, 2006 04:14 AM


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