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Last Friday Mel Gibson was stopped by the police in Malibu in an inebriated state while driving his car. He said to the official: “The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.” And asked him if he was Jewish. Two days later he asked to be forgiven for having made that declaration.

The ABC network has cancelled a series with Mel Gibson about the Holocaust. Hollywood wants to ban him. Some American opinion-leaders say that it is not enough to say sorry. Mel Gibson has made a mistake and he must pay.

And the Hollywood producers of Jewish origin and even the others if there are any, must not give him a second chance. If he had said: “Israel is responsible for the war in Lebanon” or: “With this behaviour Israel could cause the outbreak of the third world war” perhaps they would have reopened Alcatraz just for him and then thrown away the keys.

Israel is frightening. Its behaviour is irresponsible. There! I’ve said it! And I’m not even drunk. I am only alarmed for my children. As all of us probably are. I know, Veltroni will ban me from Cinecittà. Behind Israel, there’s the United States or behind the United States, there’s Israel. Which is the cause and which the effect?

The newspapers of all the Islamic countries have got photos of burned children from Lebanon on their front pages. The Mediterranean is a sea of hate. In Italy we are full of nuclear weapons belonging to the United States. They say it’s to protect us better. But I don’t want to be protected by this people. And if NATO is the excuse, I say let’s get out of NATO. Cow boys go home.


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Eva,
if you want to get really scared go to http://www.911truth.org/ and watch the Multimedia, Audio, video presentations on 9/11, precedents & aftermath, Chicago Conference.
Watch also the other videos including the Mindy Kleinberg's testimony in front of the 911 Commission that will leave you speachless.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 11, 2006 12:34 PM


Blisco,this is scary stuff!

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 11, 2006 07:41 AM


Well, Raf, I think that with the propaganda in use,jewesh people will recover very quick a normal tolerance.
I just read, about how they keep the control of the hezbollah TV. First they bombard it. Then, as the tv was still running, they destroy all the others TV in Lebanon. Without succes, cause hesbollahs had a server in India. Usa, ask india to stop and India stop. But it was still running and finally the americans, keep the control of the satellite and start to use it for their propaganda! So, if they can do that so easy, you can imagine, how they can do with our TV in Italy and the rest of the world:-)

Posted by: blisco jaio | August 10, 2006 12:01 PM


How come the Israeli Government was not advised by PR Consultants of the international public outrage that would follow the destruction of a Country and its people? Everybody I know and his brother is now against Israel. Even people who were mildly supportive of Israel before this disaster. Go figure! I guess Israel will try to move next to Damage Control, but this time it will not work.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 9, 2006 10:10 PM


Enrico, thank you!

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 9, 2006 02:49 PM


This time, I think there is enough informations to have an opinion in this blog.

Posted by: Blisco jaio | August 9, 2006 10:48 AM


Monbiot's Article from THE GUARDIAN should shed some light on who started what in the M-E. Sorry if too long, but definitely worth reading.
By the way, Fedele Pacciani's comments make me as sick as the genocidal policies od Israel.

Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong

The assault on Lebanon was premeditated - the soldiers' capture simply provided the excuse. It was also unnecessary

George Monbiot
Tuesday August 8, 2006
The Guardian

Whatever we think of Israel's assault on Lebanon, all of us seem to agree about one fact: that it was a response, however disproportionate, to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah. I repeated this "fact" in my last column, when I wrote that "Hizbullah fired the first shots". This being so, the Israeli government's supporters ask peaceniks like me, what would you have done? It's an important question. But its premise, I have now discovered, is flawed.

Since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000, there have been hundreds of violations of the "blue line" between the two countries. The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) reports that Israeli aircraft crossed the line "on an almost daily basis" between 2001 and 2003, and "persistently" until 2006. These incursions "caused great concern to the civilian population, particularly low-altitude flights that break the sound barrier over populated areas". On some occasions, Hizbullah tried to shoot them down with anti-aircraft guns.

In October 2000, the Israel Defence Forces shot at unarmed Palestinian demonstrators on the border, killing three and wounding 20. In response, Hizbullah crossed the line and kidnapped three Israeli soldiers. On several occasions, Hizbullah fired missiles and mortar rounds at IDF positions, and the IDF responded with heavy artillery and sometimes aerial bombardment. Incidents like this killed three Israelis and three Lebanese in 2003; one Israeli soldier and two Hizbullah fighters in 2005; and two Lebanese people and three Israeli soldiers in February 2006. Rockets were fired from Lebanon into Israel several times in 2004, 2005 and 2006, on some occasions by Hizbullah. But, the UN records, "none of the incidents resulted in a military escalation".

On May 26 this year, two officials of Islamic Jihad - Nidal and Mahmoud Majzoub - were killed by a car bomb in the Lebanese city of Sidon. This was widely assumed in Lebanon and Israel to be the work of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency. In June, a man named Mahmoud Rafeh confessed to the killings and admitted that he had been working for Mossad since 1994. Militants in southern Lebanon responded, on the day of the bombing, by launching eight rockets into Israel. One soldier was lightly wounded. There was a major bust-up on the border, during which one member of Hizbullah was killed and several wounded, and one Israeli soldier wounded. But while the border region "remained tense and volatile", Unifil says it was "generally quiet" until July 12.

There has been a heated debate on the internet about whether the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hizbullah that day were captured in Israel or in Lebanon, but it now seems pretty clear that they were seized in Israel. This is what the UN says, and even Hizbullah seems to have forgotten that they were supposed to have been found sneaking around the outskirts of the Lebanese village of Aita al-Shaab. Now it simply states that "the Islamic resistance captured two Israeli soldiers at the border with occupied Palestine". Three other Israeli soldiers were killed by the militants. There is also some dispute about when, on July 12, Hizbullah first fired its rockets; but Unifil makes it clear that the firing took place at the same time as the raid - 9am. Its purpose seems to have been to create a diversion. No one was hit.

But there is no serious debate about why the two soldiers were captured: Hizbullah was seeking to exchange them for the 15 prisoners of war taken by the Israelis during the occupation of Lebanon and (in breach of article 118 of the third Geneva convention) never released. It seems clear that if Israel had handed over the prisoners, it would - without the spillage of any more blood - have retrieved its men and reduced the likelihood of further kidnappings. But the Israeli government refused to negotiate. Instead - well, we all know what happened instead. Almost 1,000 Lebanese and 33 Israeli civilians have been killed so far, and a million Lebanese displaced from their homes.

On July 12, in other words, Hizbullah fired the first shots. But that act of aggression was simply one instance in a long sequence of small incursions and attacks over the past six years by both sides. So why was the Israeli response so different from all that preceded it? The answer is that it was not a reaction to the events of that day. The assault had been planned for months.

The San Francisco Chronicle reports that "more than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to US and other diplomats, journalists and thinktanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail". The attack, he said, would last for three weeks. It would begin with bombing and culminate in a ground invasion. Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University, told the paper that "of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared ... By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board".

A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The New Statesman's editor, John Kampfner, says he was told by more than one official source that the US government knew in advance of Israel's intention to take military action in Lebanon. The Bush administration told the British government.

Israel's assault, then, was premeditated: it was simply waiting for an appropriate excuse. It was also unnecessary. It is true that Hizbullah had been building up munitions close to the border, as its current rocket attacks show. But so had Israel. Just as Israel could assert that it was seeking to deter incursions by Hizbullah, Hizbullah could claim - also with justification - that it was trying to deter incursions by Israel. The Lebanese army is certainly incapable of doing so. Yes, Hizbullah should have been pulled back from the Israeli border by the Lebanese government and disarmed. Yes, the raid and the rocket attack on July 12 were unjustified, stupid and provocative, like just about everything that has taken place around the border for the past six years. But the suggestion that Hizbullah could launch an invasion of Israel or that it constitutes an existential threat to the state is preposterous. Since the occupation ended, all its acts of war have been minor ones, and nearly all of them reactive.

So it is not hard to answer the question of what we would have done. First, stop recruiting enemies, by withdrawing from the occupied territories in Palestine and Syria. Second, stop provoking the armed groups in Lebanon with violations of the blue line - in particular the persistent flights across the border. Third, release the prisoners of war who remain unlawfully incarcerated in Israel. Fourth, continue to defend the border, while maintaining the diplomatic pressure on Lebanon to disarm Hizbullah (as anyone can see, this would be much more feasible if the occupations were to end). Here then is my challenge to the supporters of the Israeli government: do you dare to contend that this programme would have caused more death and destruction than the current adventure has done?

www.monbiot.com


Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 9, 2006 12:30 AM


Blisco, I agree 100% wit you.
I don't agree with Fedele Pacciani and his nazi- propaganda. I hate those nazi-shit who are taking advantage of this situation to dust off their horrible racist ideas
I must repeat it clearly and without doubts: I criticize severely Israel and it's politics, I'm totally against it but I'm not antisemit.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 8, 2006 07:19 PM


Whoops I was thinking not to come here to put my nose but as I was passing by...There are on Le Figaro Forum plenty of jewesh guys making propaganda and trying to say to us that they didn't do anything. They say that hezbollahs are falsifying photos to send to newspapers,and so on. But some of them are regretting and apologize about the nationalism and razism which is invading their country. I also saw an article signed by one dozen of intellectual jewesh, saying that they are not binding on Israeli polics of war.
They say also this: Israeli soldiers, after in june they kidnapped 7 ministers and the palestinian president, they start to kidnap intelectual palestinians and one month ago, after they kidnapped a doctor and his brother, one of their soldiers was captured by palestinians.
Since then, They killed 165 people in Gaza. One day after, they entered in Libanon and two other soldiers were captured in Aita al Achaab which is in the Libanon territory at ten km of the border.
This was the official reason the Israelis choosed to kill 1065 people ( among them 300 children ) and destroy a country (among that, also 76 bridges, all the main ways and motorways).Another article is coming from an american newspaper where they say that Israeli, leave the hezbollah to send their rockets in order to have a pretext to answer with bombs. In fact, if we have to make an opinion about the damages of the rockets, we only can see that there are some holes here and there, despite they declare they received more than 2000 rockets.
Personaly I have no sympathies for Hezbollas but I think that the David and the Goliath changed their place and I dont like when Israelis are complaining and making lamentations about those who doesn't believe them.

Posted by: Blisco jaio | August 8, 2006 05:39 PM


I wonder if those who are so 'outraged' at Israel's bombing of Lebanon were at all outraged at the attacks on Israel committed by Hezbollah that led to this war, or if they can spare some of their outrage to condemn Hezbollah's indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli civilians today? And was there any 'outrage' at the rocket attacks committed by the Palestinians against Israel AFTER Israel did what everyone wanted and pulled out of Gaza?

Or do attacks on Jews just not deserve your sympathy?

The Israelis didn't start this war. They have a right to finish what others thrust upon them.

Posted by: Peter Wiley | August 8, 2006 02:37 PM


I am so outraged and offended by Israel's bombing campaign in Lebanon that I can barely sleep at night. But I am also outraged that people will use the "opportunity" these horrible events offer to further their own agendas of hateful bigotry. We in the US are well acquainted with the tenor of Mel Gibson's recent anti semitic outburst. Our recent history is one of reckoning with our own institutional bigotry and Gibson's remarks take us directly to that ugly but familiar place. There has been little debate here as to whether or not Gibson was entering into a meaningful debate on his way to the drunk tank. However, the fact that so many people in Europe and elsewhere seem eager to defend his ranting as some kind of brave attempt to "keep it real", rather than to bully, demean and dehumanize, is alarming. I agree that one need not be an anti-semite to speak out against Israel's brutality, in fact, one need not even be non-Jewish. So let's also agree to speak out collectively against hateful speech and hateful violence no matter it's vessel. And while we are pondering balance let's ponder the fact that a common denomenator between Israel, Hammas, Al Queda, Hezbolla and the United States is their collective willingness to use murder as a means to an end. At some point we are going to need to go in another direction. Don't fight fire with fire. Fight Fire with water.

Posted by: Alec Bourgeois | August 7, 2006 09:49 PM


Whats happening in Lebanon is simple. Persians are getting Arabs and Jews to kill each other, because they dont' give a damn about either, or about Lebanon itself. They are under pressure from the UN, and so ordered their proxies, Hezbollah, to start a war. Lebanon is just suffering because Iran wants it to suffer.

The border between Lebanon and Israel was peaceful, until Hezbollah started this war.

Lebanon is responsible, under international law, for their borders and acts committed by Lebanese nationals across that border. They chose not to secure that border, and instead turned over that border to a terrorist group that takes orders NOT from Beirut, but from Teheran. And this is what Teheran wanted.

Posted by: David Stone | August 7, 2006 07:37 PM


thank you robert,for your solution into the situation in middle east,I'll vote for you in the future,if you decide to get into politics,ciao

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 5, 2006 09:02 AM


The wars in Lebanon and Gaza constitute a grave threat to democratic reform in the southern Mediterranean. These wars are inflicting heavy punishment on precisely those peoples who have held fully free and fair elections in the region, while eroding the legitimacy of Israel’s democracy.

At the time of its "Cedar Revolution" last year, Lebanon was held up as the best example so far of democratization in the Arab world. The enthusiasm with which the international community welcomed those changes now seems all but forgotten, which is also true of recent elections in Palestine – another longstanding international demand.

The signal being sent is clear: it is preferable that Israel, the only state in the region that abides by the rule of law, be surrounded by authoritarian regimes where political outcomes are predictable than by democratic states where Islamists may well rise to power. It happened in Palestine, and it could well happen in Egypt if free and fair elections were held. As a result, Arab nationalist governments feel justified in resisting serious political reform and vindicated in repressing all domestic opposition, particularly the swelling Islamist movements.

But it should now be clear to everyone that democratization in the southern Mediterranean cannot bypass Islamist movements, and that the success of that process largely depends on the degree to which their full participation in the political arena is ensured.

Of course, this requires their renouncing violence as a means of achieving power. Repressing political Islam, or attempting to "erase" Islamists militarily with total disregard for national political processes (not to mention human life), is not the answer, because it won’t persuade electorates to turn away from Islamist movements. The efforts of reformist governments in the region to integrate such movements into the public sphere have been dealt a severe blow.

Democracies have long known that extreme and indiscriminate punishment – which by definition affects friend and foe, combatant and civilian alike – is a grave violation of international law, as the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Louise Arbour, has pointed out. They also know that such action fuels radicalism, leading to the kind of tragic consequences that are all too familiar nowadays.

Hezbollah is, after all, a creature of Lebanon’s resistance to Israel’s 1982 invasion, now trying to reassert its influence at home and in the wider region by portraying itself as a champion of the Arab-Islamic cause, namely in Palestine. Any reinforcement of its power will necessarily weaken Lebanon and the region’s democratic forces.

The prolonged absence of the United States from truly active engagement in the Middle East peace process is partly to blame for the current situation. For almost six years, there has been no significant US diplomatic initiative to resolve the Palestinian question or to pursue the Syrian track (Israel still occupies the Golan Heights).

Moreover, just when we were beginning to think that the Iraqi tragedy had made the limits of unilateralism and preemptive military strategies clear to all, the Bush administration encourages Israel’s military action – this time against a country that has painfully been attempting to consolidate democratic reform and to reaffirm its sovereignty in relation to Syria .

Bush’s most promising initiative, promoting democracy across the Middle East, was already dealt a crippling blow by US intervention in Iraq and the ensuing civil war there. Now the project is buried under the weight of America’s inability to protect Lebanon’s fragile democracy and Palestine’s democratic experiment.

The European Union’s feeble response to the warfare in Gaza and Lebanon has oscillated between understanding and condemnation of the disproportionate use of force by Israel (described as "ten eyes for one" by the Finnish presidency), thereby betraying its dependence on the US to end the violence. Europeans will have learned nothing from the damaging disunity, and thus weakness, that they displayed during the Iraq war if this conflict does not compel them to speak with one voice.

What is needed is a European initiative that is backed by a credible military deterrent, consisting of forces from the EU, Turkey, and Arab countries, to be dispatched under a UN mandate to Lebanon and Gaza. Europe must not only put forward a clear demand for an immediate cease-fire and the end to Syrian and Iranian meddling in Lebanon, it must also provide the means to enforce it as well as massive support for Lebanon’s reconstruction. The EU should decisively back the end of the embargo on Palestine and the urgent creation of a Palestinian state.

A common European front could persuade the US to give Lebanon and Palestine enough time to consolidate their national democratic processes, thus isolating the radical elements of Hamas and steering Hezbollah to dissolution of its private army. With the US project in ruins, a credible European policy to delegitimize war and support democratization in its neighborhood has become essential.

Posted by: Robert Tuppini | August 4, 2006 04:18 PM


Alex, come on, if you give a house and a job to anybody, everybody will be happy in Palestina. The fact is that even those who has a job or a house, are frighten to loose it and you can see everyday how many houses are destroyed.
Hezbollahs are organized to gives a social help for poor people. It's like Caritas but of course they indoctrinate people in the same time.And in this case they probably ask an help to defend the land from invaders.
Even you and me, in this case, we can be ready to support them because money has no smell, no religion, no political party, no sentiments...Almost:-)

Posted by: blisco jaio | August 4, 2006 02:04 PM


As you people try to find a peaceful solution to this bloody mess Israeli intelligence has announced that Hezbollah has received from Iran batteries of Zelzal rockets capable of reaching 400 Km or as far as Beer Sheba (Neghev) and Dimona where the most important Israeli nuclear station is located.
Stay tuned.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 4, 2006 02:03 PM


Very good question, Eva!
I'm proactive too, but unfortuntly I'm not in the position to resolve the problem. I think for example that the UNO should have more influence in the world politics, but at this moment it's power is very low and it seems not to be involved and interested in finding a solution. As I wrote two posts below, we had the cold war and the enemy was the USSR and the comunism. The actual enemy is the islam, but the real reason for this is always the same: to hold the position of control and privilege in the world economy. The solution can't be found by the the involved parties, but only by a third part.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 4, 2006 01:25 PM


Yeah, money plays an important role. Is it only a problem of money in the middle east? I think the culture differences are significant as well.
How can this problem be solved? It's really a good question. I think that the western countries are interested overall to protect their interests overthere...

Posted by: alex bettini | August 4, 2006 01:11 PM


we all had our say,some are for one party and against the other,some are against both party,and some are neutral ,and one carlo is piss with everybody,now I am proactive,I like to solve problems,now I am asking how can this problems be solve?any idea out there?like to hear your opinion on the matter,ciao

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 4, 2006 12:28 PM


Blisco, I agree with you!
Religion, fundalmentalism, all those things are only a pretext to make war, and war is only a way to make money and to have power.
Prince, think about it! You said "Bush is a moron and is exploiting this problem to make his buddies richer and this doesn't help to solve the situation". That is the true! The same goes for Bin Laden, Hezbollah and the others. Nobody of them believes in what he says and preachs, but they need to instigate religious hatred in the population in order to make war.
The masses need a scapegoat, and the fundamentalism is the best way to give it to them.
Look at the history: as Blisco said in the past the "public enemy" was comunism, a scapegoat for the masses to bring them to hate the enemy. The propaganda at the time thundered against the reds who will come into our houses, killing our children and destroying our values.
The masses must be afraid and hate the enemy, otherwise they will never accept to let the own children and husbands die at the front. Nobody would accept to die to give his life to make somebody else richer.
For this reason I don't believe in the " good israelis" who are feeling sorry about the murdered children, in the good americans who want to preserve our freedom and democracy as well I don't believe in the muslim propaganda, who drives the desperate young palestinians to let explode themselves for the Jihad.
War is only profit, there is no place for ideals.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 4, 2006 11:56 AM


Everything is a question of money. The power gives you the money and vice versa. Bush started to talk about religion to have a pretext to make war. Before the religion, the other presidents were fighting against communism (which was against any religion) and with this pretexts, dozens of governments has been changed, countries has been destroyed, despotes has been put in power when it was necessary and killed when they were not necessary any more.
All the US wars has been done to make profits. Very huge profits to somebody who, still today, is pushing to make new wars.
Oil production costs more and more and soon it will be finished. So, production has to be put under control and not to leave to any one the power to produce it or to have oil without permission.
Oil is what a country needs more and for that, importers and producers in America has not to declare incoms. Only their distributors are submitted to pay taxes. And this, since the beginning.
You can imagine what a big power this people can have and how much they can influence political decisions in the USA!
If all of them are jewesh, Gibson coudn’t tell us. He was drunk.
So, fondamentalists, israelists or usraelists are the same. Even the pope, when he says something, he is preaching for his chapel... Which is a bank.
Palestinians are just asking to have back their land but the more they insist and the more they will loose. It’s the jungle law. Too many interests are inside. If usa accept, it can be that all the arabs start to ask something and it’s better to keep the situation like this.
In Russia is the same, Chechenia is plenty of oil. Sometimes peole have a hole in the cellar and they make their own production!
Russia will never leave that to americans.
- The only thing that americans can do, is to isolate Russia and to impeach Russia to sell his oil abroad and it’s what they are trying to do.
All the countries around Russia are now under USA control. So, Russia who wanted to make buzinnes with europeans was obliged, this winter, to make a choice and decided to sell the oil to China.
In Russia too there are terrorists but there, they are financed by CIA and you can see how the Puttin’s eyes are blinking when he says with a smile to americans that he is ready to help them to fight against terrorists!
Partisans during the war were called terrorists by the germans and by the regimes controled by nazis in Italy and France.
So, what is a terrorist? Nothing else than somebody like you and me. If you walk on my foot I’m already one, so, don’t try to do more:-)
Knowing that, the terrorists attempts can be organized more easely that a revolution in a country.
In London, like in New York, the governments are hiding details or refusing to accept an official comission to investigate. If this is not suspicious somebody can tell me why I have to believe that this is the truth?
The norvegian press like Le monde diplomatique (French title) are convinced that the twin towers was an internal conspiracy. They are not the only one. How starts the war 3 weeks ago? Israel entered in Gaza and kidnapped a palestinian doctor and his brother. Then a soldier was catched by palestinians in Gaza and two others in Lebanon in Aita al Ashaab. This was the pretext to start bombardments. Sice then, nobody is talking about prisonners but only about redisigning the middle east. Usa wants back the iranian oil which was lost with Komeiny but before that, Bush would want to involve in the war as many countries as possible. Prodi like Australia are ready to go in Lebanon. Siria doesn’t react. They have now to provoke it. Israel already sent some planes to fly on the roofs of the sirian president. Just to show that they can enter in Siria like they want and when they want.
Castro said that is sick but he is preparing an answer to Bush who has decided to reconquest Cuba in the next 18 months.
If you are like me, I always support Davids and never Goliaths and you don’t talk about religion when is a question of money.

Posted by: blisco Jaio | August 4, 2006 09:13 AM


Giovanni Principe: yes, Fundamentalism is a curse for everybody and unfortunately for us it's also well entrenched and all powerful in Israel. We now have two backwards viewpoints fighting to the death and we are hopless spectators. It worries me that Israel has failed to appreciate that there are unstable muslim countries like Pakistan packed with MIT grads, sofisticated weapons and nuclear bombs. Kick the Muslims continuously in the teeth and see where we are all going to end up.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 4, 2006 01:45 AM


Raff (Ladies first):when I wrote about the israelis feeling sorry for the children, I forgot to mention that I heard it from the Israeli ambassador in UK, when he was interviewed from BBC. He also explained Israel's actions in relation to what the Hezbollah are doing to them.

Enrico Rossi: I don't understand why everybody is so incensed about Israel defending itself.
Fundamentalism is increasing in those countries and I think that needs to be eliminated with any mean.
I'm also in contact with arab people and for this I respect them the same as I do with anybody else. What I don't like is the fact that because of those fundamentalists I cannot have a normal life like before, because those guys are putting bombs everywhere and due to this I have to be checked 2, 3 times at the airport at every flight change and my personal liberties are shrinking because of those cowards that kill women and children with their bombs.
AIn't this the same for you or it applies only to the oppressed palestinians?
Can we defend ourselves or we have to suffer because those guys got the shaft?
The arabs I know in USA (cab drivers, machine operators, managers) told me that they like to live here (in the US) because they don't have to put up with that shit back home and have a regular life, and these are normal people, not a product of the corporate world and the CIA.
On our side we have a US President that is a moron and is exploiting this problem to make his buddies richer and this doesn't help to solve the situation.
What everybody have to deal with is a hidden enemy and this makes everybody unconfortable because it can come from anywhere and anytime.
I think that one of the mistakes that have been made was in 1979 when Khomeini was in Paris and everybody was admiring him because he was "bringing Iran back to freedom", instead he caused one of the biggest backward jumps in history by taking his people back to the middle ages and by helping to jump start the Jihad.
The CIA made the mistake of not blowing his brains out while he was still in Paris.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 4, 2006 01:18 AM


Sorry...High Technology. Typing error..oops!

Posted by: Robert Tuppini | August 3, 2006 10:16 PM


Errata Enrico Rossi: High Tech (High Tegnology) weapons.

Posted by: Robert Tuppini | August 3, 2006 10:14 PM


Blisco ..if you were right in Friuli there'd have been the civil war

Posted by: alex bettini | August 3, 2006 08:48 PM


I will tell you only one think, hic: Arabs and jewish are the same, hic. The firsts use to have a beard forward and the others backward but even when one of them is a bandit he will be always protected or helped from other ethnies. It's what we don't have: Unity. We just can have a drink together. Not more. At the second drink we start to talk and at the third we start to fight. So if you want to fight, I'm ready, hic!

Posted by: blisco jaio | August 3, 2006 08:25 PM


Look like all this has been in the making and...feared by the ones in the know since the last 45 years..sorry for the long post but is worth to read.

[Freedman's speech]
by Benjamin H. Freedman (1961)

What I intend to tell you tonight is something that you have never been able to learn from any other source, and what I tell you now concerns not only you, but your children and the survival of this country and Christianity. I'm not here just to dish up a few facts to send up your blood pressure, but I'm here to tell you things that will help you preserve what you consider the most sacred things in the world: the liberty, and the freedom, and the right to live as Christians, where you have a little dignity, and a little right to pursue the things that your conscience tells you are the right things, as Christians.

Now, first of all, I'd like to tell you that on August 25th 1960 -- that was shortly before elections -- Senator Kennedy, who is now the President of the United States, went to New York, and delivered an address to the Zionist Organization of America. In that address, to reduce it to its briefest form, he stated that he would use the armed forces of the United States to preserve the existence of the regime set up in Palestine by the Zionists who are now in occupation of that area.

In other words, Christian boys are going to be yanked out of their homes, away from their families, and sent abroad to fight in Palestine against the Christian and Moslem Arabs who merely want to return to their homes. And these Christian boys are going to be asked to shoot to kill these innocent [Arab Palestinians] people who only want to follow out fifteen resolutions passed by the United Nations in the last twelve years calling upon the Zionists to allow these people to return to their homes.

Now, when United States troops appear in the Middle East to fight with the Zionists as their allies to prevent the return of these people who were evicted from their homes in the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists who were transplanted there from Eastern Europe... when that happens, the United States will trigger World War III.

You say, when will that take place? The answer is, as soon as the difficulty between France and Algeria has been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have settled their difficulty, and the Arab world, or the Moslem world, has no more war on their hands with France, they are going to move these people back into their homes, and when they do that and President Kennedy sends your sons to fight over there to help the crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent men, women and children, we will trigger World War III; and when that starts you can be sure we cannot emerge from that war a victor. We are going to lose that war because there is not one nation in the world that will let one of their sons fight with us for such a cause.

I know and speak to these ambassadors in Washington and the United Nations -- and of the ninety-nine nations there, I've consulted with maybe seventy of them -- and when we go to war in Palestine to help the thieves retain possession of what they have stolen from these innocent people we're not going to have a man there to fight with us as our ally.

And who will these people have supporting them, you ask. Well, four days after President Kennedy -- or he was then Senator Kennedy -- made that statement on August 28, 1960, the Arab nations called a meeting in Lebanon and there they decided to resurrect, or reactivate, the government of Palestine, which has been dormant more or less, since the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists.

Not only that... they ordered the creation of the Palestine Army, and they are now drilling maybe a half a million soldiers in that area of the world to lead these people back to their homeland. With them, they have as their allies all the nations of what is termed the Bandung Conference Group. That includes the Soviet Union and every Soviet Union satellite. It includes Red China; it includes every independent country in Asia and Africa; or eighty percent of the world's total population. Eighty percent of the world's population. Four out of five human beings on the face of the earth will be our enemies at war with us. And not alone are they four out of five human beings now on the face of this earth, but they are the non-Christian population of the world and they are the non-Caucasians... the non-white nations of the world, and that's what we face.

And what is the reason? The reason is that here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons too many and too complex to go into here at this time -- I'll be glad to answer questions, however, to support that statement -- the Zionists and their co-religionists rule this United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country.

Posted by: francesco mancini | August 3, 2006 05:51 PM


Errata Corrige: HighTec weapons.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 3, 2006 05:09 PM


"com'e' che quando Israele bombarda civili se ne duole, e se gli Arabi fanno lo stesso gioiscono in mezzo alla strada??"
Because the arabs have been shafted by the West for over a century and most of the time they had to fight back with slings and stones against the West's TighTec weapons.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 3, 2006 04:54 PM


Per una volta non sono d'accordo con le posizioni di Beppe Grillo: com'e' che quando Israele bombarda civili se ne duole, e se gli Arabi fanno lo stesso gioiscono in mezzo alla strada??
Considerare Israele come l'origine di tutti i mali e' pericolosamente sbagliato e non mi aspettavo un commento cosi' "narrow-minded" da Beppe. Ti ho sempre ammirato per l'acutezza delle tue opinioni, che spesso condivido e rispetto.
Questo mi ha deluso profondamente.
Per non parlare di Mel Gibson, che con le sue deliranti affermazioni antisemitiche da' la mano a Zidane con la sua testata: entrambi superpagati, super-scemi, in cerca di attenzioni che regolarmente trovano.........
Dal Canada con affetto.

Posted by: cristina vantini | August 3, 2006 04:33 PM


Yes i would also like to know that :)
Knowing that since II WW, didnt passed a day without a war (or several in same time), man must be really "high" to use words like "peaceful negotiations", "peace" and finally "justice" which one i find most interesting. But I admire your optimism.

Posted by: Marina Madzarevic | August 3, 2006 04:00 PM


Franco, can you tell us what substance you are inhaling? Justice for all people in the Middle East?
How do you propose to square this circle?

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 3, 2006 02:18 PM


Blisco, gimme the five!
;-))))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 3, 2006 02:05 PM


So, as I'm always drunk I can't say anything :-)

Posted by: blisco jaio | August 3, 2006 12:43 PM


it is funny,everibody is concentrating,in what mel gibson said and not on the fact he was drunk while driving,and he could had easily hurt somebody,to me this is worst, then what is coming out of his mouth.

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 3, 2006 06:06 AM


After having read all the e-mails posted to this site, it's sad to see that some have degenerated in vitriolic attacks to one country/people or the other. I am sure that both sides believe that whatever they are doing is right. However, in this day and age we are supposed to be more civilised and resolve conflicts in a civilised way. To resolve the conflict and ensure long lasting peace there must be peaceful negotiations. There has to be a win-win situation and there must be justice for all people in the Middle-East.

Posted by: Franco D'Alessi | August 3, 2006 04:00 AM


To all AUSTRALIAN EXPATS reading Beppes excellent Blog like I do.

There have recently been major changes (and more to come in January 2007) in the AUSTRALIAN CITIZENSHIP LAWS (especially regarding Dual Citizenship) that may affect you.

Soon there will also be a FEDERAL ELECTION and you need to find out if you are still registered on the electoral roll. Many of you may have been struck off because you did not tell the Australian Electoral Commission that you were going overseas, but you may still have time to register.

Also the 5 year NATIONAL CENSUS is about to get under way. Advance and the Southern Cross Group (both non profit expat organizations) in partnership will be conducting a confidential Census on Australians abroad and the data will be presented to the government to help formulate policy for Australians living overseas. The Census is being prepared with the assistance of Prof. Hugo in Canberra.

For more information on the above issues or any others that may concern Australians overseas e.g tax, drivers licence, social security etc., I URGE you to visit
www.southern-cross-group.org

The Southern Cross Group is an international, volunteer-run, non-profit and independently funded advocacy and support organisation for the Australian Diaspora.

I am one of its volunteers in Rome. If you are in Italy or anywhere else in the world and you need any help please click on the “Contact Us” button and send us a message or phone us.

Cheers
Robert Tuppini

Posted by: Robert Tuppini | August 3, 2006 02:50 AM


suggest reading " a new earth" by ekchart tolle.

WAR IS MIND SET
.........beware of making it your mission to"eradicate evil"as you are likely to turn into the very thing you are figthing against.Figthing unconsciouness will draw you into inconsciouness yourself.Unconsciuoness,dysfunctional egoic behavior,can never be defeat by attacking it. Even if you defet your opponent,the unconsciuoness will simply have move into you,or the opponent reappears in a new disguise.Whatever you fight,you strengthen,and what you resist, persist.............

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 3, 2006 12:38 AM


PRINCE, that is for you:
You said that Israelis feel sorry for murdered children. Do you REALLY think so?
You dindn't answer to me.
I know you very well, and I know you are a clever person.
Nobody feels sorry at war, only the victims, not the murders. Every soldier knows that his war action may cause a lot of victims, inclusive women and children. That is WAR. The war is a dirty affair.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 3, 2006 12:20 AM


Enrico Rossi & The Prince:
We must fight against fundamentalism. That is the WAY. We must begin by ourself, our little world, our inner world. Another world is possible, it's all up to us. I refuse to be conditioned by the opposite extremisms. I'm a thinking person. I'm able to develop my own way of thinking. I refuse to choose between cowboys and muslims. I'll do my way. And there is a minority of people, still a minority but it's growing up, people who don't believe in the mainstream. We are not waiting for the good guys, they won't come to save us. Nobody will save us. Only our own cleverness will save us.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 2, 2006 11:56 PM


Giovanni, the world is not populated by Fundamentalists only. They are a small but very visible minority. I work with people from around the world including moderate muslims that you could not tell apart from the rest of the crowd. These enemies you are talking about are a creation of the Defense and Corporate Industry and nothing more. Ask yourself: who benefitted the most from the invasion of Iraq? In any case the final conflict will be nuclear and nobody will protect you, me and our children from the nuclear fall out.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 2, 2006 11:17 PM


Enrico Rossi:

I may agree with you but the problem remains: outside Nato there's not protection against the enemy and we will be swallowed like a sandwich.
Who will you choose? The towelheads?
Will you be wanting to go back 500 years?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 2, 2006 10:47 PM


Giovanni, please shake the cobwebs out of your brain!!! The cowboys will defend us? They are the only power that has used nuclear bombs twice on innocent civilians and are presently using with relish depleted uranium projectiles around the world. Read Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II-Updated Through 2003 by William Blum and you'll NEVER be this naive again!

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 2, 2006 08:29 PM


IsraHELL - name

as for those breast fed on MTV and brain washed by cnn, bbc, fox, sky
get your f---ing facts. Read J Cook a journalist who does not want a Presidential contract , be embedded and reports from the area. Facts. FACTS FACTS

Hizboallah is a given the "terrorist" label because US, EU and their Franken STEINS want it. As for UN, before taking the high lofty ground look at the UN - the security councilis a dictatorial group of facist, zionazi bastards who just want to steal, serial murderers, mass murderers and rape nations and profit from it.
Ask Herr Annan how much that scumbag son of his made with the swiss money exchangers in OIL FOR FOOD.

The EU and US with their butchering history want people of the Muslim world tolive in poverty be denied their rights and their lands governed by proxy. Any student of history will tell you that people will not tolerate it.

If you like it so much why don't you let the mongrels invade your lands at least we can get the mass murders and rapist out of our lands.

How many EU, US and those stinking Australians made from the deaths of irakis.

How many vetoes have been used by mongrel state, how many abuses of human rights have been allowed by UN. First take your full quota of balme and than cry foul.

Herr Merkel , Herr Albright that ugly black widow, - all women loving the slaughter of children.

The Italians called their liberators partigiani well we give a damn what you call our partigani and we give damn all for those thugs in the UN who said the deaths of 37 children and nearly 20 death adults was deplorable, what the hell is this Herr Annan deplorable they should have condemned it.

What would the shitty G8 and their scumbag goons Czechs and Poles would say if the children were from IsraHELL.

Your racism is disgusting and contemptible.

Mr Beppe with or without Barolo, any day you are much better, a decent person than the horror vulgar show put up by the HErrs of G8 or Her Majesty's government.

Posted by: Marcia Visanji | August 2, 2006 08:05 PM


Graffiti aside, I think that we now have the best option by staying with the Cowboys.
It's cold and dangerous out there and without proper protection we wouldn't last.
It stinks but it's Reality Check.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 2, 2006 06:55 PM


We agree with Beppe Grillo and would support a boycott of Israeli and USA goods until this aggression in Lebanon has ceased.

Posted by: Robert Bartlett | August 2, 2006 05:13 PM


You said Israel is frightening.
I think hezbollah is more frightening, because they set up rocket launchers among heavily populated civilian blocks, knowing that Israel has to respond in order to protect its towns and villages. Killing civilians is a war crime, but in lebanon the war crime does not start with an Israeli artillery shot hitting a civilian block. The war crime starts quite before: when an hezbollah commando starts to set up the launcher on the roofs of a civilian block. The civilians killings are planned and strongly desired by hezbollah, because of their great value for the further future propaganda. You cannot tell to Israel to avoid the response fire: you cannot tell to a nation to let kill its citizen, because of saving the citizens of the enemy nation. It's sad but it's true. Israeli's citizens life has the same value that lebanon citizens life, and every nation first of all protects its citizens.
I also think that ONU is frightening, because in any time they avoid to stop hezbollah from firing, and the only way is to send troops along the border. If ONU does not really want to stop hezbollah and if hezbollah continues to use citizens as human shields, many civilians will continue to die in lebanon: these two things are frightening in my opinion, much more than Israel.
Think about it.

Posted by: Alessio Grandi | August 2, 2006 05:04 PM


Dear Peppe Grillo, I am Italian but i reply to you in English. I am not Mel Gibson and I am not drunk. But unfortunatelly I do agree with Mel Gibson and understand that he has to survive when he then asked for forgiveness for that declaration. Years ago I met a writer who wrote an article doubting the holocaust and he was badly discredited, could not work anymore. I have my father in the Foibe and I start feeling very annoyed with these guys, I was very young in 1967 and I happened to be in Beirut......but now I cannot accept what is happening. and cannot accept that the world is not saying what they really think. The Israelis or jews as we want to address them have invaded the whole world already. In this case they are making a big favour to the US so that they can attack other countries blamed to be on the side of the enemies. This is not peace for all but war for all! You are right, Alcatraz should be reopened fast and has as "guests" all the criminals involved in this very dirty and bloody war. There is plenty more I would like to say, but I am afraid for my life, my children, my future. I am afraid of killers. I have seen Somalia, I have seen Cambodia, I have seen Sarajevo, and again Lebanon now. I think that we decent people have lost; the greed, the power have won and this is very sad. But what can be done. I am ready to fight. ciao silvana

Posted by: silvana bonas | August 2, 2006 04:21 PM


I am sure Gabriele Manasse has given us the CORRECT version of things. Hezbollah is not an easy task. No group that shields itself behind children and civilians can ever be tolerated. No group that calls 14 year olds "adults" for its dirtymongering war deals can ever be condoned. And honestly, no government that overlooks all these things and closes both eyes, ears and mouth at the face of terrorism can ever be taken seriously. Further comments are, simply, superfluous.

Posted by: Joselle Camilleri | August 2, 2006 04:16 PM


There is too much hatred and too much anxiety. Sparks of black humour as was Gibson's case are blown out of proportion. After all many know the truth - that some, envious of Gibson's success, are trying their damnest at bringing this person down, even for a silly comment made in a state of drunkeness.

Apart from that, the Middle East has always been too complex for this world, too many things happening there, and everything goes back to thousands of years ago... Israel happens to be in the middle of a muddle - and complex as multicultural regions can be, it becomes harder still having to concede to the "losers" [as Israel sees its confining neighbours] land that has been won in war and even paid money for.

Yet we do not live in Israel, and we weren't born, nurtured and moulded in its environment. I have Palestinian, Lebanese and Israeli friends who all say the same thing but they are on opposite sides.

War... what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. That was Frankie Goes To Hollywood's song, by the way. Released in the 80s when the Middle East was boiling with turmoil, when Arafat then was not exactly a saviour or saint, when Israel fought still, the message was to stop war. Yet war goes on. This region has flowing rivers of blood.

Yet, do not forget the "forgotten" wars, the tribal wars in Burundi, the East Timor problems, the suppression of Tibet, the Kashmir regions, the Kurds, the torture in many degenerate prisons and dungeons...

And, yet, most of us are unable to lift a finger [because what we want hardly counts for others]... and so we benignly drink our wine and sip our teas and coffees, hoping that tomorrow would be a better world, hoping that humankind will not rot furthermore... hoping, ever hoping.

Posted by: Joselle Camilleri | August 2, 2006 04:04 PM


Ciao a tutti,

Quello che c'e' scritto in questa email, probabilmente molti di voi lo sanno gia', ma a volte una rinfrescata fa bene. Molti altri invece no, e questa email e' diretta principalmente a loro. E' un po' lunga, lo so, ma ho un sacco di cose da dire, e vi sarei molto grato se riusciste ad arrivare alla fine. Se no... vabbe', ci ho provato.

Vorrei raccontarvi quello che vedo in queste settimane, che non sono esattamente un periodo tranquillo, sperando che la mia email possa in qualche modo chiarirvi le idee su quello che sta succedendo qui in israele, e che in gran parte dei casi, non vedrete e non sentirete raccontare alla televisione.

Quello che vedo qui e' una serie di controsensi imbarazzanti per ogni societa' che si definisca civile. Ma andiamo con ordine.

18 giorni fa, un commando di miliziani hizballah sconfinano dal sud del libano in territorio israeliano, rapiscono dei soldati israelinai e tornano a casa. Israele alza la voce e per tutta risposta dal sud del libano cominciano a piovere missili come se li regalassero da macdonald.

Quello che ho visto dopo, e' quanto di piu' vicino ad una barzelletta io riesca ad immaginare.

Ho visto che oggi, dopo circa 1600 missili (lo sapete quanti morti e danni fanno 1600 missili ?!?!?) tirati su israele, ancora in giro per il mondo c'e' chi dice che la reazione di israele e' "sproporzionata".

Ho visto che la mlizia hizballah, dopo essere stata condannata dall'onu come organizzazione terroristica, e dopo essere stato imposto, sempre dall'onu, al governo libanese di estirpare il movimento dal suo territorio, viene lasciata libera di tirare missili su chi vuole, senza che il suddetto governo libanese si preoccupi minimamente di intervenire. Ovviamente l'onu non fa un fiato.

Ho visto che i governi del G8 (a parte gli USA) non si sono posti minimamente il problema di chiedersi che cazzo sta succedendo.

Ho visto che e' stata organizzata a roma una conferenza per discutere la crisi al confine israele-libano. I libanesi hanno detto "se c'e' israele noi non veniamo". Atteggiamento estremamente maturo, tipico di chi non vede l'ora di sedersi al tavolo delle trattative per risolvere il problema. Gli altri paesi partecipanti, per tutta risposta, invece di prendere i libanesi a sveglie dietro le orecchie e trascinarli al tavolo volenti o nolenti, che cosa hanno deciso? "va bene, non invitiamo israele". Con chi lo vogliamo discutere il problema libano-israele, con il governo di zanziabar?

Tra coloro che leggono questa email c'e' chi ha studiato alla scuola per diplomatici. Una domanda, e' questo che insegnano li'?

E qualcuno mi sa dire come mai, quando alla stessa conferenza di roma, il rappresentante libanese ha accusato israele di occupare il suo territorio indicando una zona molto precisa, khofi annan, segretario generale di quello stesso onu che con una risoluzione ha riconosciuto ad israele la sovranita' su quella zona, non ha detto una parola?

Ho visto paesi come siria e iran rifornire di missili i guerriglieri hizballah. Ancora una volta nessuno (sempre a parte i soliti USA) si e' chiesto se forse il problema e' un po' piu' grande di quei pochi chilometri di confine. Nessuno e' arrivato alla conclusione che se ci sono due paesi che riforniscono di missili un'organizzazione che l'onu ha definito terroristica, forse andrebbe fatto qualcosa.

Ho visto quel genio di prodi, il nostro primo ministro, e quell'altro fenomeno di d'alema, il nostro ministro degli esteri, riflettere attentamente sul conflitto e poi prendere una decisione geniale: chiedere la mediazione dell'iran. Quello stesso iran che nonostante tutte le proteste da parte del mondo ha deciso che voleva un giocattolo nuovo: la bomba atomica. Quello stesso iran il cui presidente, ahmadinejad, ha pubblicamente inneggiato alla morte degli ebrei ed alla distruzione totale e definitiva dello stato di israele.

Ora mi viene naturale chiedermi: e' questo il mediatore piu' imparziale che sei risuscito a farti venire in mente? Non sarebbe il caso che facessi uno sforzo e ti inventassi qualcos'altro? Ovviamente i batman e robin della politica estera italiana hanno smentito. Hanno affermato che "hanno preso contatto con il presidente iraniano, hanno discusso con lui la situazione in medio oriente, e gli hanno chiesto di intervenire per migliorarla".

In poche parole: hanno chiesto la mediazione dell'iran.

Ho visto gente manifestare, e incazzarsi perche' israele bombarda i civili. Tanto per chiarirci, gli hebollah sono civili. Non hanno un tesserino, non hanno divise, non hanno gli anfibi tutti uguali. Il libano ha un esercito e loro NON NE FANNO PARTE. Questo fa di loro dei civili, come me e voi. Questo pero' non gli impedisce di essere armati, di avere bunker e campi di addestramento, e soprattutto di sparare missili. Quando gli hizballah si nascondono, usano edifici che per forza di cose non sono basi militari, perche' ovviamente non fanno parte dell'esercito. Sono edifici civili. Edifici civili pieni di hizballah armati. Quando isralele glie li butta giu' il mondo girda che israele colpisce i civili. Che cazzo devono fare, mettersi seduti la fuori e aspettare che escono a comprare le sigarette?

Ho visto un sacco di cose brutte. Ho visto che la gente non dorme la notte per lo scoppio dei missili fuori da casa. La gente rinchiusa nei rifugi per giorni. Famiglie costrette a lasciare le loro case per paura dei missili, senza sapere quando torneranno, ma senza chiedere al governo di finire in fretta. Va fatto quel che va fatto per vivere sicuri, senza la minaccia dei missili dall'altra parte del confine.

Come succede in questi casi pero', ho visto anche tante cose belle. Prima fra tutti la solidarieta' della gente. Ogni persona, nel suo piccolo qui, si impegna per poter fare la differenza.

Un numero inimmaginabile di famiglie hanno non solo dato la disponibiliita', ma addirittura richiesto di ospitare chi e' scappato dal nord. Famiglie che accolgono estranei nelle loro case consapevoli che c'e' qualcosa di piu' importante della loro privacy. Ognuno che abbia un buco libero offre ospitalita'. Un mio amico ha tre appartamenti che affitta come bed and brekfast. In questo momento sono sfitti, ma pieni di gente che ha dovuto lasciare la sua casa al nord. Costantemente ci sono annunci di gente che e' pronta ad aiutare. Al telegiornale passano in sovraimpressione i numeri di chi offre ospitalita', c'e' un sito interet dove la gente offre passaggi da e per il nord a chi ne ha bisogno, ragazze del nord scappate qui al centro che si offrono di fare le babysitter gratuitamente ai bambini delle famiglie evacuate, e tante altre piccole cose.

Quello che pero' sorprende, e' che anche le societa' non si tirano indietro.

La mia palestra manda i messaggini ai soci, informandoli che se ospitano qualcuno dal nord, possono portarlo ad allenarsi gratis.

Pelefon, l'operatore dei cellulari, fa vedere i telegiornali gratis con l'umts.

Cellcom, l'altro operatore, ha qualche casino con le sue reti. Questo perche' i tecnici e gli elettricisti della societa' la mattina vengono caricati sui pullman e vengono portati al nord, a riparare i danni nelle case e nei quartieri colpiti dai missili. Il tutto ovviamente gratis.

Bank hapoalim manda camion pieni di regali ai soldati al confine. Isracart, l'equivalente di cartasi, il circuito che racchiude le maggiori carte di credito qui in israele ha fatto le pubblicita' dicendo che i residenti del nord, se vogliono, possono rimandare di un mese il pagamento della loro carta di credito senza interessi.

Elite, fabbrica di dolci, ha aperto un sito dove si possono mandare i ringraziamenti ai soldati che in questo momento sono al confine. I messaggi vengono mandati ai soldati insieme ad una tavoletta di cioccolata.

I supermercati organizzano spedizioni di cibo al nord. Una fabbrica di frigoriferi fa sconti assurdi a chi compra un frigo nuovo dando indietro il vecchio. Ovviamente quello vecchio viene mandato al nord a spese della societa' per chi ne ha bisogno.

Di esempi come questo ce ne sono senza fine, ma credo che vi siate fatti un'idea abbastanza chiara.

Ci sono alcuni di voi, tra quelli che leggeranno questa email, che quest'estate avevano prenotato un biglietto aereo per venire qui in israele. Alcuni di voi hanno annullato la prenotazione. Non mi sento di giudicare ne di biasimare nessuno di questi. Quello che vi chiedo pero' e' di pensarci un attimo, e riflettere su quello che succede qui. Di riflettere sulla base del poco che vi ho raccontato, su quanto e' importante per gli israeliani sapere che c'e' qualcuno a cui importa. Sapere che non sono da soli.

Se volevate andare in venezuela, alle maldive o a riccione sono contento per voi. Se volevate venire qui, per favore, non cambiate idea.

Vorrei chiedere una cosa a tutti quelli che sono arrivati alla fine di questa lunga (si, va bene, mi sto scusando...) email.

Se siete d'accordo con quello che ho scritto, o se per lo meno non avete niente da obbiettare, vi chiedo di farla girare. Mandatela a chi volete, specialmente se pensate che abbia bisogno di qualche chiarimento su quello che succede qui. Sapere le cose e' il primo passo per migliorarle.

Ovviamente qualsiasi commento, domanda o critica a quello che avete letto fin'ora, e' benvenuto. Vi ringrazio per la vostra attenzione.

Posted by: Gabriele Manasse | August 2, 2006 03:53 PM


Errata:
NOBODY feels sorry.
:-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 2, 2006 03:11 PM


Mel Gibson's problems with ABC are not interesting for me, but his behavior is an symptom of a very widespread way of thinking that in my opinion, bears the responsability of racism: the mix-up between ethnic and political belonging. I'm not anti-Semite if I'm against Israel's war politics. I know many Jews who are totally against it, are they anti Semite? I'm not anti American if I'm against Condoleeza Rice and the Bush's Administration. For two weeks I was in Washington D.C. and I had a very interesting talk with two guys who was demostrating for the White House to bring the U.S. troops home. They are not "anti American" they are AMERICANS against war.
Averyone of us is born in a country, or is belonging to an ethnic group, but it doesn't mean to agree necessarily with the own country's politics and behavior. That means, at least, DEMOCRACY!
And, last but not least, Prince: NOBODY feel sorry at war for murdered women and children. That's WAR. I never saw a war without this slaughter of innocents. We must stop them. That's all.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 2, 2006 03:07 PM


I am an Australian, in love with an Italian, living in Berlin.
I don't suppose to know what was in Mel's head at the time, or what his true beliefs are ...
What I can say with certainty is this:
Australian humour is a strange thing.. and as a 5th generation australian, it is no strange affair to make such bold and ridiculous comments as a counter to all the bold and ridiculous critisicism that has been thrown at him both for his movie and for his upcoming series.
For instance-
If I had done a documentary on the massacre of dogs in the state dog pound and been objective about it .. presenting the perspectives of all .. even if in a wayward manner .. and someone accused me of being in support of dogs put to death,
as a dog owner and lover, I would of course take it none to seriously. But, if i was to be continually harried for such an accession ..
It would be perfectly within my jaded australian sense of irony, sarcasm and humour to make such a ridiculous statement, as "I am a dog hater and killer" because it is so ridiculous an accussation.

I think the only thing Mel really did wrong was to say that "which must not be said" - like joking about a bomb at the airport.
you just can't do that anymore...!!!
the other major thing Mel did wrong .. was to be so off his head that he is not thinking right to even effectively be aware of his slight.

It's a shame that we won't get to see his series on the holocoust .. it is obviously something that intriques him alot as he has focused on it so intently. It may have been a very interesting series, both intelligent and challenging.
I doubt that any company would have produced anything of that nature if it were not.

and now .. we won't get to see Mel's perspective at all..

shame really .. silly bugger should sober up and get his act together ...
because i'm sure this is all entirely out of control and it seems it will impact his livelyhood
irreparably..
for a sense of sarcasm that is too late to be excused or understood!

Posted by: jodi Tobin | August 2, 2006 03:03 PM


fuck it!!!!

Posted by: carlo pianoforte | August 2, 2006 02:50 PM


They had Holocaust. We all know that. It was monstrous, and we are all sorry.
But there were others, what we will do with them?
"About 220,000 Sinti and Roma were murdered in the Holocaust..., between a quarter to a half of the European population. Other groups Poles, Serbs, Soviet military prisoners of war and civilians on occupied territories including Russians and other East Slavs, the mentally or physically disabled, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Communists and political dissidents, trade unionists, Freemasons, Eastern Christians, and Catholic and Protestant clergy, were also persecuted and killed..."

Let us take Gypsies for example .
They were victims of Holocaust, also.
Strange coincidence, they have no land. But, seems they had bad "real estate agent", or the death of one gypsy in gas chamber is less monstrous of Jews death, or the number was not high enough, or...
Can someone help me and explain me the difference?
Is there a word "anti-gypsyism"?

Until when Holocaust will be used to justify all?
Second World War is over, more than 60 million died, (not just Jews), Hitler is dead!!! Stop revenging to all of us. Have you learn anything from your sad history???

Posted by: Marina Madzarevic | August 2, 2006 10:51 AM


i know all taht yous ay and even more, and i want this massacre to end, at the moment i speak and to forbit england that is also a sbire of america and france to avoid the desicion to let the take any decision about the situation there england and france with their negative votes they stop the desicions.

Let the world Know now.

STOP THE MASSACRE IN LEBANON AND PALESTIJNE.

And i agree about what mel gibson said at the begining of thi page..;i think you can easely gess what i am talking about.

renee el khoury

Belgium bruxelles

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Posted by: Paola Antilla | August 2, 2006 10:09 AM


well giovanni,the fact that you take the time,to visit beppe blog,and even more spent more time making graffiti,tell me that what beppe write is of importantace to you,otherwise why bother

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 2, 2006 10:00 AM


"United Stes of America, saving European's rear ends since 1915"

USA ain't saving jack shit. USA took advantage of the situation to put the world in debt and position 'stay-behinds' in all strategic positions. You can not save Europe from Europe, that's a contradiction, Joe.
The US are in it always to strenghten their hold on the world economy.


One should serioiusly ask him or herself who is the puppetmaster, USA or Israel?? It's common sense to see Israel as a piece of the US in the middle east. Others may conclude that Israel is a piece of 'western - world' in arab territory. Eitherway, everytime Condoleeza Rice sets foor there behind here they're offloading missiles for Israel from the same flight!!

America don't give a shit about individuals. The founding fathers created a state that would protect the rights of the individual. General Eisenhower's famous remark regarding the responsability of the populous to see to it 'National Defence' would never form such a powerful lobby and dictate matters just comes to mind here. The Bush - administration has passed more laws and anyone ever! Nowadays all these PATRIOT acts, CIA spying and what not just shows what a totalitarian state looks like where if you are not with the state, YOU ARE AGAINST IT. The only debating could be whether it's for the good of the US or USrael. Americans wake up and take control and snap out of your American dream!!

here's your cue..

Posted by: Patrick Emmett | August 2, 2006 09:25 AM


Enough with this anti American propaganda.
Drop that Barolo bottle, Beppe, your mind is foggy, you can't tell a friend from a foe. Then again, you can't tell a lot of things, for that matter...

"United Stes of America, saving European's rear ends since 1915"

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Posted by: Giovanni Moretti Senzitalia | August 2, 2006 07:11 AM


"can you say usa-rael..."

Usrael sounds better ;)

Posted by: roberto d'angelo | August 2, 2006 05:01 AM


What we consider land grab to the Israelis is a legitimate act. The Jews are the only people whose skygod is a real estate agent that has parcelled out the Middle East to them, His chosen people. It doesn't matter that Eretz Israel is only a mithology with no legs or archaeological evidence to stand on. We are stuck with very old superstitions that kill.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 2, 2006 04:16 AM


Agree with U Beppe. Everyone is nowadays anti-Muslims..., so what's the problem if someone dares to say a few things against the Zionists ??? I have enough of this sacred cow Israel, allowed to do anything, always armed, financed and protected by the cowboys...
The present new war is a mess and it will not stop until Israel makes peace on terms that the Palestinians and Israel's neighbors have said they will accept: enforcement of UN Security Council Resolution 242 and the end of Israeli land confiscations in the West Bank. If you think the land grab is over, ask the Palestinians whose property is fenced off and seized for the Israeli settlers almost daily. If you think Israel is content to leave the natives alone to get along with it, ask the Bedouin of the Negev desert about the creative deployment of the Monsanto-manufactured herbicide Roundup ready to destroy their crops so they will abandon their ancestral lands once and for all. Goat by goat, the old Zionist adage went, the settlers redeem the land. As the Arabs lost their goats, they got bullets and bombs.

Posted by: Picchio Marino | August 2, 2006 03:17 AM


this time i've decided to write in english... couse im half "American".

i agree with Mel and all we know... how much Israel is responsable for all this.

i was in NY september 11 as citizen of USA but i know that all this was a conseguence of something more deep.

... nothing more to say... cous all we know the truth.

Posted by: orfeo smania | August 2, 2006 01:21 AM


Mel Gibson is an uncultured moron who would do anything for money as proven by the sadomasochistic fantasy that is the Passion of the Christ, but to come down on him so hard for a drunken comment is simply idiotic. The USA has completly disemboweled the words democracy and freedom. We are now looking in the eyes of nuclear conflict in the Middle East. The hatred in the Middle East knows no bounds and nothing but confrontation is staring the region in the eyes.
Wait for Musharraf to be taken out in Pakistan by the Fundamentalists and watch the fireworks start.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | August 2, 2006 12:32 AM


Since I am on this subject everyday on www.lefigaro.fr forum, I found there some very fanatic people making propaganda for Israel and some pro-arabs to fight against them. As you know me, I like very much fanatics and I spend some time to fence with all of them. So I don't want to restart here.Rendez-vous au Figaro:-)

Posted by: blisco Jaio | August 1, 2006 11:22 PM


It's hard to be a man in times like these we are living..Gibson is the scapegoat of the Hollywood run zionist media empire.
They found a way to discredit him finally (after the christ passion) and they are not going to spare him anything now.
Israel is a danger for everyone..I subscribe in full his words.
And yes Beppe I agree with you 100% this NATO will get us all killed soon or late because it's run my zionist freaks.

Posted by: francesco mancini | August 1, 2006 10:04 PM


Mel Gibson's thing has been blown out of proportion.
He stated and apology: in it, he wants to be close to the people that he offended, to understand how he got so far by saying what he said.
As for Israel's behaviour, I think it's legitimate because those people are just sick and tired of getting bombed by those religious fanatics that shield themselves with women and children.
Let's not forget that the different between Israeli forces and the Hezbollah is that the Israelis have to pinpoint where the rockets come from and because those islamic pieces of shit are always hiding the rocket launchers in private compounds, where are shielded by women and children, the israeli have to take them out.
When the Israeli kill those kids, they feel sorry for them.
When the Hezbollah kill Israeli women and children, they celebrate.
That's the big difference.
Let's protect our culture instead of giving it to those people that are 400 years behind us and don't have any respect for women and kids.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 1, 2006 09:32 PM


Actually, Beppe, if Gibson (who also is a right-wing, anti-gay Catholic) had said “Israel is responsible for the war in Lebanon” or “With this behaviour Israel could cause the outbreak of the third world war” he would be in a lot less trouble. The pro-Israel forces would have attacked him, of course, but it would be hard to make a case that those statements are ipso facto anti-Semitic. They are, in fact, being made by many people, even some who consider themselves pro-Israel. Gibson isn't a critic of Israel's outrageous and indefensible behavior in Lebanon (and Palestine); he is just a right-wing Catholic anti-Semite. You should be familiar with the type. Italy is full of them.

Posted by: George De Stefano | August 1, 2006 09:08 PM


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