Modern Slaves 5

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I’ve got the impression that politicians live in a separate world, far away from the citizens. And that their food is voting intentions, electoral tendencies, big chairs and little chairs. But even a rocking chair could be enough. The only reality that they know is their own and the citizen is always a subject. No one has asked for troops in the Lebanon, the pardon, an increase in clandestinity and gagging on intercepts. If Prodi had presented a programme like that the original would have got 90% of the votes. The Biagi law is a scandal. Why has the government not tackled it in the first 100 days? Are Italian young people worth less than delinquents? What a spectacle: we import slaves and at the same time we create them in-house.

I’m publishing an analysis of the effects of the Biagi law by Roberto Leombruni of LABOR and Mauro Gallegati of the Economics Faculty of Ancona.

Dear Grillo,
What happened at Atesia, demonstrates how urgent it is to re-examine the work contract “collaborazione coordinata e continuativa” {collaboration coordinated and continuing} that is so precarious that when you have finished pronouncing its name it’s already finished. Unless of course a judge intervenes. At Atesia, the Labour Inspectorate has set down that the 3200 people working “on project” (the quotes are necessary because the “project” was to answer the phone in a call centre) should be taken on as employees.

OK, given that Prodi has stated more than once that the fight against precariousness is a priority of his government, it would be a good idea to help the judges and radically reform a contract that in the last 10 years has kept millions of young people on the margins of the labour market. In this position it is much easier to exploit them.

How many collaborators are there? Yes, there are millions. For ten years we have been waiting for solid estimates.
It’s enough to say that ISTAT {government statistical office}, perhaps thinking that there were only a few, waited until 2004 before adding an ad hoc question on its surveys. And from the initial estimates it seemed that there weren’t that many (if 400,000 seems few).
However, a few days ago, INPS {Government Pensions Office} has finally published its report based on real data and now we know the truth: the collaborators, just in 2004, were almost three times that number, there were more than a million of them.

We are not talking only of collaborators, and thus excluding the free lance professionals, who are usually considered to be among the “saved” (but on this point see the paragraph below taking about “get your own IVA code or I will sack you” {IVA is the tax on the sale of goods and services}). And only considering those people for whom this collaboration is the only form of work, and they have a contract with only one organisation (this being the category that is usually identified as being in the weakest position), in 2004, there were 840,000 of these.

Why should this be changed?
For many reasons, that come from many stories that can be read on this blog. But the real problem is that they started off badly.
Before 1996, the only official way to engage a worker for a short period was to employ them with a fixed term contract, pay social contributions of about 33% and as in all the civilised world for the last century, paying holidays, thirteenth month and a contribution to a termination fund.
However there was the habit that was pretty close to working on the black market to offer a contract of occasional work and “then we will see”. In this way the contributions and all the other payments were avoided.
However 1996 saw the introduction of the famous formula “collaborazione coordinata e continuativa” that made a gift of 10% of contributions to those workers who were almost in the black market. In fact it just about legalised the habit of camouflaging the position of an employee under the much more innocent label of occasional worker.

In the absence of efficient controls it didn’t take long before the collaboration was used even in call centres. (the modern equivalent of the production line) and for work lasting years. Those who wanted to take advantage were guaranteed a form of labour at knockdown prices. Compared to taking on an employee, the saving was about 40%. That’s better than a “three for the price of two” at the supermarket. And a generation of workers found themselves working for years without being able to put away anything much for their own pension and with a level of protection like that in England in the industrial revolution. Just remember that it was only in 2000 that there was cover for accidents and work-related illnesses. The right to strike obviously is still not there.

Why the Biagi law made things worse.
In truth we’ve just had a reform called the Biagi law. But apart from changing the name to “cocoprò” that sounds slightly less stupid, it has been a reform that has made things worse in many ways.

The intention was to limit the improper use of collaboration. To do this the law required a written contract. (Before this was not necessary. It has taken us a bit to invent writing.) It’s also necessary to identify a specific project.
If it’s not possible to identify a project, the company can be obliged to take on the worker with an employment contract. This is the clause that was applied for Atesia. As mentioned earlier, it is difficult to believe that more than 3000 workers in a call centre have their own specific project to carry out.

It is a pity that this law states that the control of the judge (art. 69) “cannot be extended to the point of deciding the merit of the evaluation and the technical, organisational and production choices that are taken by the employer”.
It’s a pity that with the 1/2004 Maroni circular, further liberalisation arrived with the clarification that a cocoprò can be renewed as often as you want.

This is like saying that you just have to bother to write an ad hoc project once a year and you can keep a lifelong employee as a collaborator.
In real life, the Biagi law provoked an almost schizophrenic reaction from the companies. In many cases, the old cococo were simply transformed into cocoprò. Others, fearing the clause mentioned above, reacted by using blackmail.

This is seen in a research project carried out by IRES who surveyed a sample of people who took out an IVA code between 2003 and 2004. They found that 50% of these had done this because their employer asked them to or their contract would not have been renewed.

It’s a shame that 40% of them had only one work-provider (this became 80% counting those with one major work-provider), and they continue to be counted in that category of “pure collaborators” that we were talking about.”

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Thanx for the advice Andrea,

It's taken a while of living here to notice much less than that which you have just spelled out so clearly. Your words have given me perspective.
I did eventually get the stuff back - I just had to pay for it (again), of course.

SharlaH, Mark Boots is at www.myspace.com/the_end_of_money :)

Posted by: Mark Lingham | November 29, 2007 12:44 AM


Stiamo assistendo inermi alla massiccia riduzione del Personale del Gruppo BancaIntesa SanPaolo di cui faccio parte. Non serviamo piu'; e per il nostro esodo vengono usate minacce e ricatti.
Ma dove portera' questo atteggiamento, dove l'abuso diviene normalita' e la sopraffazione logica quotidianita'? Che societa' produrra' la svalorizzazione delle persone nell'ambito del lavoro?

Posted by: Gianluca Massucco | November 28, 2007 10:13 PM


Mark, I am sorry about your loss. That's disgusting. Well you did have a view of Italy distorted from the reality from the beginning if you state:
"With 'services' such as these, how can I honestly report that I am in a land of promise and opportunity that supports the prosperity of it's inhabitants?" I am quite shock I didn't think many people did have that view of Italy. Just kidding.

I have experience your same stuff, but in Australia, personal letters have been opened and read, "for security reason" many parcels have never made it trough. But I was not surprised.

I used to work in an import export in Italy and had to deal with the dogana all the time. We use to get our containers opened and delivered back with something missing all the time. We imported clothes so dogana officers would take a L size jumper for them and and XXXXXL for their fat wife.

So I think you are right to be upset and I welcome you to the club. Join the rest of the 58-60 millions Italians that gets it up the rear end. And remember Italy works like that, we steal from each other. If you don't comply with this rule you will have trouble adapting. But we do like to look morally superior, when someone is caught.

Mark, maybe you should call "Striscia la Notizia" (HA HA)

Sorry if I laugh, I don't mean to be disrespectful of your feelings, I just know exactly how you feel and we all do. We just so used to it in Italy.

I remember my wife coming to Italy the first time, she wanted me to get her a Visa while not even the Italian Consulate in Australia thought that was necessary. We standed in line in front of the police station for two days at 6 am in the morning, got abused and mistreated. I even end up getting physical with one of the police officers, that didn't want give my wife back her passport so we could come back another day because we were exhausted.

My wife quickly learned that it was easier be without a Visa, and join the other millions of illegal immigrants. she haven't been the same ever since. He he.

Hope you can get your stuff back.
Ciao
Andrea

Posted by: Andrea Bonotto | April 5, 2007 06:20 AM


Any word on a translation of those german posts?

Posted by: Ohio Medical Board | February 20, 2007 07:40 PM


Dear Beppe,
Having recently arrived in your country for an extended stay, I am shocked at the behaviour that this country supports as 'law'.
Though I don't know very much about Italian politics, I do try to utilize my productive time for the benefit of all instead of the selected few whom author 'laws' that appear to serve little purpose other than to finance their authors existence and spending habits.

Yet, in my efforts to contribute to the greater good, I have experienced my first bureaucratic encounter courtesy of the agency known as the "Dogana".

I have sent some small parcels to myself, from my country of origin, say 4kgs each, and received an 'invoice' for them (as though I have just bought a service I desired) from the Dogana that, when combined with the price of postage, challenges the original purchase price ! Upon further investigation, I learn that items not paid for, are held over for auction!

Now this may appear 'normal' behaviour to many people here, but to my mind, the act of witholding property and demanding money for its' return is known as 'extortion'. Please, I may be out of line with my definitions here, so please correct me where I am mistaken.

So, in wanting to know more about this faceless extortionist who never answers the fone, gives no useful email links on it's website, mentions no names and publishes a pack of impressive sounding self justifying mumbo jumbo on what appears to be considered a serious attempt at a website, I am writing to this blog in an attempt to find an answer (or a lead to) to the following questions. Loyalists of the Dogana are wholeheartedly invited to reply.

(1) Why does the Dogana block all packages that I have sent (from outside the EU) and hold them demanding payment?
(2) What is the criteria used by the dogana to; (a) block packages, and (b) determine the necessity to impose tarrifs?
(3) Why is a 'tarrif' applied to 2nd hand goods that I own, have previously used in my country of origin and would like to do so here?
(4) How are tariffs calculated? I would like to see a publicly published table of charges that justifies the apparently invented payments demanded in return for the service rendered of allowing safe passage of my goods?

Answers to these questions will prepare me for if I am to receive packages from family and friends such as gifts for myself and 3 children.
Surprises such as being unexpectedly invoiced for a few days' pay not only degrades mine the senders' appreciation of the act of giving, but also our collective opinion of this country.
With 'services' such as these, how can I honestly report that I am in a land of promise and opportunity that supports the prosperity of it's inhabitants?

With a sour taste in the mouth,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Lingham | January 20, 2007 08:24 AM


Modern slaves always existed and still exist in Italy and not only in Italy.Till now ..and (if human being will remain the same,I hope not)I am convinced they will exist.Why ?Because every time in the history man was convinced of modernity ofr his-and her time as being modern time.

Man on man woman on woman.Endless,in every religion and every culture,only words have never changed in better the situation.

In Italy NOW the low class is slaqve of the upper classes,consequentelly.In various forms,from mobbing (bulling, abuso di potere e di autorita´e persino la complicita ´dei vigliacchi contro i perseguitati )in private4 and institutional working place (gerarchy in the superintendences and ministeries practized their mobbing,their bulling against the workers who we4re emarginated and who fought legally against the ge4rarchy ,for their rights to the profe4ssion and health in the degradetad and insane working placesm,etcetera. )to the black people from Africa now from Lampedusa of the:centri di accoglienza ,translation into English-Italian "welcoming places" which in practise they make people watching photos of the same places as sort of Guantanamo,or nearly so ...)to to be spoiled and illtreated in ,and not only there , : tomato fields.Etcetera.

What an hipocricy ! The same happened in Findand towards the Italians working in the Finnish reastaurants or in a factory in Lohja :the Faner Oy.

All slaves of the world have been abused,used and not considered as such but they were.And agaionst them if the tryed toiescape some Country used also the fighting dogs to terrorise or kill the escapingslaves.

Dear European Union where are the rights for your citizens and the immigrated from other EU countries ?

Enough to lies to the people. We are European Union citizens anyways and NOT ONLY YOU the parlamientair privileged people have to be considered as such and having made better in tertms of privileged salatries and privileged pensions and welfare .Not only you aas a class have to be4 considered as European from UE become citizens. Do not consider the others like modern slaves .

Vladimiro Rinaldi and Ranuzzi

(born in the working class area of the Tiburtino Terzo,in Rome and now in Copenhagemn.Denmark.

Posted by: Vladimiro Rinaldi e Ranuzzi | September 22, 2006 02:05 PM


Legalized extortion in Smalltown U.S.A. (Portsmouth, Scioto, OH) - SOMC Part III.

U.S. law firms and attorneys may get upset when they are compared to mafia and criminal connections. In the next few paragraphs, I will demonstrate that attorneys’ tactic is often the same as the original gangster extortion technique. Physical violence may not be involved, but the attack on personal property to obtain compensation by fear is just like extortion by mobsters. Moreover, while mafia is against the law, legalized extortion is protected by Courts and by the Legislative systems, which are controlled by Bar Associations. Mr.R.E.Dever (Bannon, Howland & Dever Co., L.P.A.) exemplifies the abuses of the due process perpetrated by this kind of lawyers.

ONE.
Imagine a law promulgated against working and driving while intoxicated by alcohol and recreational drugs. It would seem a reasonable law. Now imagine a law promulgated against working and driving while intoxicated, a law applicable to the whole community except doctors, health personnel and policemen. It would be crazy, don’t you think? Intoxication is a crime for everyone, except for those who should control and punish intoxication. Isn’t it foolish?
Now read the following article of the U.S. Code:
UNITED STATES CODE: TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 > § 1001
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

It says that everyone should be truthful, except counsels and other person involved in judicial proceedings. Everyone is bound to honesty, except those who are actually in charge of protecting honesty in our society, attorneys and judges. What do you think?
These loopholes are used by dishonest attorneys like R.E.Dever to collect legalized settlements by extortion – protected by the law -.

TWO
The problem of dishonest attorneys abusing the due process has been long known and debated in the highest echelon of the legislative system, as you can see by the following quotation of Judge Rehnquist.
The potential for possible abuse of the liberal discovery [...] may likewise exist in this type of case to a greater extent than they do in other litigation. [...] To the extent that this process eventually produces relevant evidence, which is useful in determining the merits of the claims asserted by the parties, it bears the imprimatur of those Rules and of the many cases liberally interpreting them. But to the extent that it permits a plaintiff with a largely groundless claim to simply take up the time of a number of other people, with the right to do so representing an in terrorem increment of the settlement value, rather than a reasonably founded hope that the process will reveal relevant evidence, it is a social cost rather than a benefit. [Securities case: Blue Chip Stamps v. Manor Drug Stores, 1975 (per Rehnquist, J.)]
The belief that discovery is being widely abused was voiced also at the National Conference on the Causes of Popular Dissatisfaction with the Administration of Justice in April, 1976.
Unfortunately, knowledge of the problem does not mean solution. It is like our health system. Nothing can interfere with business and income. Major university hospitals, medical boards, health associations know how many useless procedures are done in smaller community hospitals, how many doctors thrive with poor medicine. But nothing is done –officially- to limit “business medicine”, as nothing is done to limit “business justice”. Nothing can limit our self-destructive economical growth.
GOOD is not what helps you make money.
EVIL is not what makes you lose money.
JUSTICE is not protecting corporate interests.
There is a bit more to morality, ethics and justice

THREE
Mafia tactics, at least at the origin, were not related to major criminality, murders, drug dealing. Mafia was born to protect defenseless Sicilian people against the corrupted Borbonic police. When Borbonic domination ended, Mafia persisted for long time as a protection system based on extortion. It was made of simple things: “If you do not pay, I will break your house windows, steal your money, bother your family”. The victim had to gauge: “Do I spend more paying protection to the mobsters, or in fixing all the damage the mobsters can do to me if I do not pay”.
The well-connected attorney files a willful false complaint. The Court is acquiescent. The Bar Association disregards grievances, explaining that attorneys are not bound to be truthful in their complaints. No matter what is the merit and the value of the complaint, the defendant –usually far away form the accommodating Court- has to face discovery abuse, lengthy procedures, last minute cancellation of conferences, useless motions allowed to the local attorney, refusal of his genuine and commonsensical objections, and so on with more exasperating experiences. After years of legalized abuses, the defendant has to reason exactly like if confronted by mafia thugs: “Do I spend more paying protection to the mobsters, or in fixing all the damage the mobsters can do to me if I do not pay” – “Do I spend more accepting the abuse and paying whatever the mobster-attorney requests, or fighting for justice”. In this system controlled by corporations and law firms, the individual has no choice but to pay to protect his asset and his family against the legalized mafia organized by attorneys, courts and judges.

FOUR
The Dever's are well rooted in the local environment, holding tentacles in the compliant district Court as well in the only major corporation of the area, Southern Ohio Medical Center. With the "nihil obstat" released by the Ohio Supreme Supervising Agencies, the unbridled corporate attorney was able to file a false complaint, to deny what he himself wrote in the employment agreement, and to abuse groundless discoveries towards in terrorem settlement.
The power that the corporate attorney obtains in a small community (where his corporation is the largest and wealthiest employer in the region) is colossal. He uses patronage and nepotism to strengthen his position. Patronage is a system where someone in a powerful position (the Patron) offers handouts in return for support. Nepotism means favoring relatives or personal friends because of their relationship rather than because of their abilities and moral values (see below the executive board at SOMC).
But power, money and the compliant local Court allow him and his family to overcome unethical conduct, poor professional skills, dishonesty, personal and family failures. This is the Law of Power. Persons with limited assets loose their savings because of Dever’s family dishonesty and mistakes. Patients with limited income loose their house to pay for SOMC bills. But the Dever’s gain power and money, no matter what they do. The following list shows some information I collected from the community.
1) Rober R Dever: wrongful title searches at Portsmouth Banking Company, costing money to regular individual customers. Responsible for sloppy work, Robert R Dever, was pulled out of troubles because his father was in the Board of Directors and share holder of the bank. Thanks also to the incompetent performance of Senior and Junior R Dever, the bank was sold and dismantled. Holders of savings lost a lot of money in the liquidation of the Bank, while the Dever’s made millions.
2) Medicaid fraud attempt perpetrated by Mary Beth Dever as Director of SOMC Foundation (see following report from the Fraud and Investigative Audit Group).
a) Ohio Medicaid Program
A Compliance Audit by the: Fraud and Investigative Audit Group
May 06, 2004
SOMC Medical Care Foundation
Mary Beth Dever, Administrative Director
Re: Audit of SOMC Medical Care Foundation
Dear Ms. Dever:
We have completed our audit of selected medical services rendered to Medicaid recipients by SOMC Medical Care Foundation for the period October 1, 1999 through September 30, 2002. We identified $96,022.85 in findings, which must be repaid to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. A “Provider Remittance Form” is located at the back of this report for remitting payment. The attached report details the bases for the findings. [....]
Sincerely,
Betty Montgomery, Auditor of State
i) COMMENT:
Although the overpayment/over-billing seems a small amount considered the magnitude of today’s healthcare frauds, it is 60% of the total billing... in other words, for every 10$ of collected payment, around 6$ were earned from fraudulent billing. Did SOMC do the same with private insurance? Did SOMC deceitfully over-collected 60% extra from self-pay patients and from other private customers? Unfortunately we will never know, because most individual patients have no expertise to analyze complex hospital bills, nor they have resources to fight SOMC in Court. And why bother going to the local Court, where most of the Court staff (including judges) have favors to render to SOMC?
3) Robert R Dever was less than brilliant in his law studies, despite the strong support received by his father.
4) Mary B Dever was not smart enough to become an attorney. Still, R.E.Dever helped her daughter to become Director of the SOMC Foundation (see note above about Medicaid fraud).
5) R.E.Dever while driving under intoxication hit parked cars. The acquiescent local Sheriff and Troopers concealed the event.
6) Allegation of alcohol and drug use in immediate family members of the Dever’s.
7) Boone Coleman’s dark friendship.
8) People tricked out of property.
9) People tricked in giving away Power of Attorney.
10) Doctors legally persecuted because of disagreements with SOMC leadership (not mentioning myself).
11) Legal aggression against Mr.Wrage.
12) Complicity with Scioto County Engineer(s) and Commissioner(s).
13) Mary B Dever refusal to pay what she buys. Small Claim judge (M.Miller) does not release a fair verdict because of the complicity with R.E.Dever.
14) Other more personal stories that I do not want to disclose, because victims could be easily identified.
15) Professional time spent at SOMC enduring legal bullying is an outstanding example of willful mendacities and abuses operated by R.E.Dever, Mary Beth Dever and other SOMC administrative leaders.
16) Dever&Mearan – Michael Mearan, Mr.Dever’s partner, is involved in drug and prostitution rings, according to an investigative report of the local media “Shawnee Sentinel”.
17) Failed marriages, dysfunctional kids.
The community gives the privilege of administering justice to a person (esquire). This person uses the given privilege exclusively for personal wealth and power. He gets so used to his power that he does not even care to file sincere complaints. He has the complicity of the Court, which allows him to use all the unfair attorney’s tactics to persecute the adversary. Part of his fortune comes from putting liens on houses of sick people who cannot pay medical expenses to SOMC. There are no intellectual skills, no moral values. But we all know that money creates power, power brings more money... How a person like him can be referred to justice, when the Judicial System and the Supreme Court allow legal cheating and persecution? How can one stop him, when going all the way to the jury trial is so expensive that even a physician cannot afford it, because of all the unrestrained abuses of process that a well-connected attorney is permitted? How can citizens be entitled to Justice, when only corporations and over-privileged can afford the expenses of a fair and complete due process?

We thank for their kind participation:
1) Law Firm: Bannon, Howland & Dever Co., L.P.A.
325 Masonic Building
Portsmouth, OH 45662
740-353-1157

2) Southern Ohio Medical Center (SOMC)
Portsmouth, Ohio 45662
CEO: Randal Arnett
Med Director: Kendal Stewart, MD
Head, Board of Directors: Robert E.Dever, Esq
Member, Board of Directors: Robert R.Dever, Esq
Director, SOMC Foundation: Mary Beth Dever

3) The Ohio State Bar

4) The Supreme Court of Ohio, 65 South Front Street Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431


Posted by: pietro guadalupi | September 16, 2006 02:11 PM


CUol watters!!!

Posted by: maRia consuelo | September 8, 2006 10:28 AM


It's a old story, Eva....;-)))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 30, 2006 12:04 PM


are you guys showing off?! :-))))

Posted by: evakulnurae | August 30, 2006 10:46 AM


Doch!

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 30, 2006 01:19 AM


Eva: it's probally a wrong message from somebody who thinks is answering to somebody else. They are talking about private matters: examination results and résumés...
I don't know what it really means!
Prince: you understood completly, isn't it? ;-)))))
PS) Zentralfuerungsblockhebeluebersetzung (ich weiss es noch!);))))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 29, 2006 11:46 PM


...a po-russkii mozhno?

:)

Posted by: Alex Fini | August 29, 2006 11:44 PM


Und du in Italien moechtest arbeiten?? Ich verstehe das nicht--warum?

Hast du eine Freundin da, oder?

Posted by: Alessandro Fini | August 29, 2006 11:41 PM


hi,can you please translate,the german part,thank:-))

Posted by: evakulnura | August 29, 2006 11:10 PM


Ja, Stimmt!

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 29, 2006 11:00 PM


Hello, Joachim...(oder Eva, ich habe nicht richtig verstanden..)
das sollte ein english blog sein...

:-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 29, 2006 10:09 PM


Hello Joachim,
hier ist ein interessanter Artikel ueber die italienische Arbeitsbedingungen... Es geht uns sehr sehr schlecht, als man hier lesen kann.
Ich hoffe, es wird kuenftig besser...aber die Situation ist momentan sehr schwierig fuer meine Generation, die Generation-Prekariat, als wir sie gestern genauso genannt haben.
Uhm, ich wuerde mich auch sehr freuen darauf, noch eine Abends-Unterricht zu nehmen. Wer weisst? Vielleicht erscheine ich morgen plotzlich! ;)
Ah, ich kenne meine ZMP Resultat: 112/120, d.h mit "sehr gut" bestanden!
Ich schicke dir morgen noch einmal mein korregiertes Lebenslaus fuer einen letzen Anblick ;) Danke!!
Bis dann,
Eva

Posted by: Joachim Becker | August 29, 2006 09:58 PM


Yeah!that's right! But I'm a strange person too!;-)))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 29, 2006 07:54 PM


Wow... strange people you hang out with...
haha
:D

Posted by: Alessandro Fini | August 29, 2006 05:08 PM


Wrong! the others say that I'm the most beutiful thing in the universe!;-)))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 29, 2006 03:45 PM



Gosh, if that's what your BEST FRIEND calls you, I can't imagine what the others say...

---

California rules!!

Posted by: Alessandro Fini | August 29, 2006 03:10 PM


then it's my country! My best girlfriend always called me "turkey" ;-))))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 29, 2006 02:03 PM


...and Wild Turkey

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 29, 2006 01:41 PM



Kentucky... The Fried Chicken State.

Posted by: AF | August 29, 2006 01:54 AM


good for you, Prince! :-))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 28, 2006 10:50 AM


G,Bush as other things to worry about,the anniversary of katrina hurricane,for sure he is looking forwar to,:-)))))))

Posted by: evakulnura | August 28, 2006 05:23 AM


You will see, next week-end will be good weather, and you will drive your Honda along the lonely plains of Kentucky.
I'm sure, even if G.W.Bush would be against it!
;-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 27, 2006 08:26 PM


In Kentucky there is more vegetation and more lone roads.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 08:16 PM


Not Prodi but perhaps G.W.Bush;-)))))))))
By the way, what's the difference between the lonely plains of Kentucky and the ones of Illinois?
Which of them is more beautiful?;-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 27, 2006 08:10 PM


And, by the way, is now raining heavily here in Dayton.

I can be at right to say: "It rains, government thief" (Piove, governo ladro).

I'm pissed off anyway because I cannot ride my motorcycle in the lonely roads between Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia.

Can I blame Prodi for this?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 07:59 PM


Sorry for you: you are in the hands of a bunch of criminals and idiots.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 07:54 PM


The Prodi government had three priorities, at least befor the elections: abrogation of the Biagi-law, a new law against interest conflict and withdrawal of the troops from Iraq. None of this three points has been done. I'm very disappointed.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 27, 2006 07:42 PM


I forgot to say that too.

I think the Biagi law is a product of medieval minds.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 07:31 PM


Your logic is flawless.! Anyway, I think that the Biagi-law is bullshit and must be abrogated!

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 27, 2006 07:09 PM


I'm talking about the 40% of employee's saving on the contributions.

If the government still agrees to this (by not canceling the Biagi law), this means that it can survive even when the contributions are paid with a discount of 40%.

You can multiply this discount times the number of co.co.pro and co.co.co in the order of months and you could see how much money the government kicks out the door.

When this amount of money is kicked out the door you can imagine that the contributions can be lower in a way to encourage the employers to hire people in a regular way because the system could survive even if everybody pays when it pays less.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 06:50 PM


Prince: I didn't understand very well what are you practically suggesting...

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | August 27, 2006 06:30 PM


Beppe, can you also count how many Euros the government lost by making this discount?
Probably the government itself did not considerate this (because the majority are imbecils that are just there to steal their paycheck without any regard to the job tehy are supposed to do) otherwise that law would 've been erased at the speed of light.

However, with this loss of revenue, the government could re-calculate the taxes that the employers pay for their employees in a way to reduce them to ease the hiring of nre employees.

The loss of revenue caused by those co.co.pro. should work as example to show that the nation can function also when everybody pays less.

When evrybody pays less more people would have a regular job which could increase the movement of money in the Nation and also, thru the sales tax that I think is at 20%, the government could get the money that he needs because hired people would get more money to spend.

It's so hard to imagine for these seat-warmers?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | August 27, 2006 06:17 PM


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