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"Alitalia is going through its most difficult time in all its history. The situation is completely out of control and I don't see a parachute."
Romano Prodi, currently President of the Council, 10/10/2006

"The competition rules that have favoured the growth of low cost airlines are a contributing factor in the destruction of the capital assets of Alitalia. While Air France and Lufthansa have between 75% and 80% of their domestic markets, because of competition rules, Alitalia has barely 50% even though the State is the major shareholder."
Roberto Maroni (former minister), 25/10/2005

" …..this is the real problem: that the State is the shareholder, the same State that pays mind-blowing sums to the Alitalia directors and that has put the dampers on development and partnerships in recent years. I'm publishing a European classification by Ryanair, even for Maroni, of the revenues and costs per place (pax) and the net margin relating to 2005 for the airlines. Alitalia is showing a loss, the other airlines (low cost or not) are showing a profit."
Beppe Grillo, commedian, 26/10/2005

Alitalia is a flagship company and we are happy with the connection with the flag. We are all 'brothers of Alitalia'. But also financers and benefactors. Or rather parents, adoptive parents. Every Italian family has in fact adopted at a distance for years an Alitalia employee. With their taxes, they pay the employee's salary.
For Cimoli's salary of 190,375 euro a month, we need a middling-sized community.
Alitalia has lost 221,500,000 euro in the first six months of 2006.
Alitalia's balance sheets have been in the red for many years. Its management has been a disaster for many years. It has been going through its most difficult time for many years. Its flights have been late for many years. It has always been making mince meat of the Italians on the Milan-Rome route with round-the world tariffs. It has always been using directors that are "recommended".

If Prodi has a tiny bit of decency, he must give Cimoli the sack (and ask him for damages). He must sack the Board of Directors and the top management. Tomorrow.
Or he should have the decency to keep quiet and fly low cost.

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ALex Mola from England I think

Dear Alex
What's your problem with Italians ?

Don't you like so much the Italian fashion ?? Don't you like so much the Italian food ??

Have you ever opened a book about art or general culture in your life.....

Please avoid superficial and ignorant comments

Thanks

Alex Mola
From Italy


Posted by: ALEX MOLA | October 25, 2006 07:11 PM


Suleiman, I imagine you happen to live in this messed up country run by Italians and which, probably, you'd wish to have governed by some fancy Sheik or Sultan of yours. If you do not like it, go back where you came from.

Posted by: Giovanni de Carlo | October 18, 2006 11:58 PM


for Suleiman:
what kind of ( personal I hope ) experience you had to make you judge an entire nation, citizens, and people scattered all over the world?
can you talk about it?
Peace

Posted by: Alex Mola | October 17, 2006 01:03 AM



Alitalia is a mess.

Just like everything that's managed by Italians. From Parmalat to the country as a whole.

Posted by: James Dean | October 15, 2006 12:43 PM


expensive tickets, low quality service and old airplanes do not make a world class airline company. World class in Alitalia is only the salary of all the personnell (managers and employees). I'm sorry Italians paid taxes to sustain a company whose only assets are the flight slots and whose importance nobody (in Italy) seems to care.

Posted by: Carlo T | October 15, 2006 06:54 AM



Alitalia is very good. Sometimes it even flies.

Posted by: Talia Ali | October 14, 2006 11:23 PM


It seems that Alitalia is becoming a sore wound that gets more putrified as days go by. The nation would benefit more not having a Parastatal airline: it is wiser to be smaller and more competitive. Alitalia is like a patient with terminal cancer in its final stages. Time for euthanasia. Sorry for the analogy but that is what it looks like.

There is no use trying to resurrect what is already dead. That money can be used [hopefully sensibly] elsewhere. Why tax Italians furthermore??

Posted by: Joselle Camilleri | October 14, 2006 04:32 PM


Egregio sig. Beppe Grillo
Si sta parlando molto di Alitalia Telecom ed altre grandi industrie dilapidate da tutti i grandi signori della finanza amici degli amici.
Per Alitalia le posso dire con una certa tranquillita' che e` stata dilapidata dal sig.Prodi e co. iniziando dal settembre 3/1993.
Se vuole controllare la mia veridicita' puo' andare a controllare alla Pretura di Roma la denuncia fatta contro l'allora compagnia di bandiera da 50 ( su 150 ) impiegati licenziati di cittadinanza italiana.
Pur di boicottare la nostra denuncia l"alitalia ci fece chiamare tutti e 50 al Consolato generale d'Italia 690 Park Ave New York con l'allora nostro avvocato ( anche lui un bel venduto ).
La ragione della chiamata fu: Controllo dei nostri passaporti.
Durante il controllo del mio passaporto, mi fu detto che era falso.
Il passaporto in questione fu emesso dallo stesso consolato.
Ho tutti i passaporti dal 1968 data della mia emigrazione negli USA
LEGALE, con CARTA VERDE LEGALE.se vorra' glieli potro mostrare e verificare.
Morale della favola le nostra causa salto' con il sarcasmo di una signora che faceva da giudice facendosi trascrivere i colloqui invece dalla segretaria o chi per essa, dall'avvocato difensore dell'Alitalia, ed usando parole sarcastiche nei confronti di noi AMERICANI.
Fine della storia. Le nostre liquidazioni non ricevute, ma ricevuto un compenso dilazionato in quattro semestri ( 2 anni ) di 36.000 dollari
totali meno le tasse dovute. Con 23 anni di servizio il mio TFR dopo 23 anni sarebbe dovuto essere almeno il doppio.
Sia la CGIL, UIL CSIL vollero disinteressare; male gli colse perche' con il nostro licenziamento iniziarono i vali licenziamenti in Italia.
Concludo
L'Alitalia mai tornera' ad essere quella che fu durante la nostra permanenza in servizio. Diversi colleghi dopo il licenziamento ebbero difficolta' a trovare un'altro lavoro data l'eta', io stesso disoccupato per 3 lunghi anni.
Quindi la mia maledizione su tutta la compagnia DAL NUMERO UNO all'ultimo dei facchini. Maledetti i 3 sindacati che non ebbero il coragio di rispondermi neanche ad una delle mie molte lettere.
Piu' l'Alitalia sprofonda piu' la gioia si espande.
Mai dimentichero' il modo in cui fummo letteralmente cacciati dal terminale in JFK.
Tutti i notabili parlamentari si facevano fotografare con noi in stato di sciopero per farci contenti e coglionati, ma senza un seguito.
Anche l'Onorevole Tremaglia (onorevole e` uno scherzo )
mi promise personalmente nel 1994 che si sarebbe interessato del caso perche' " IO NON SONO UN BUFFONE COME GLI ALTRI "
sue parole. Ammazzalo che ultra buffone. 60 dollari di DHL per un pacco di documenti informativi richiestimi dovetti pagare e 4 FAX senza risposta.
Il 5 Aprile 1996 con altri quattro colleghi ebbi un colloquio privato al Worldorf Astoria col l'allora presidente della repubblica Don LUIGI SCALFARO, il quale ci ricevette non per aiutarci o per pieta', ma perche' sapeva che gli avevo preparato una contro manifestazione davanti l'albergo con tanto di permesso di polizie e transenne preparate.
L'allora Console Generale MISTRETTA mi telefonava ogni 2 giorni per ben 3 settimane promettendomi l'incontro pur di evitargli la brutta figura. Potra' controllare sempre la mia sincerita' prendendo dall'archivio i giornali 3/4/5/6 aprile 1996, l'unico da me letto,Il Giornale, riporta il mio nome e cognome. Lo stesso con cui mi firmero'.
La mia lettera e` solo uno sfogo perche' i soldi perduti non me li daranno piu', le angosce i trumi familiari la depressione, ed infine
4 by pass al cuore seguito da un tra[pianto del cuore beh penso che questo non lo paghera' nessuno.
Quindi

Responsabilita'di PRODI CHE SVENDETTE ALLE VARIE MASSONERIE TUTTI I TESORI DI STATO DELL ' IRI.
RESPONSABILITA' DI TUTTI I PRESIDENTI E AMMINISTRATORI DELEGATI CHE SEGUIRONO IL PRESIDENTE ALITALIA VERRI, l'unico ad interessarsi di AZ, a cui si diede una morte di stato con tanti onori.
Ora l'azienda sembra che valga poco, non ha assets,parte degli uffici alla Magliana furono venduto ai Carabinieri,gli aerei non soni di proprieta', ma leased mi sembra dalla compagnia ANSET, l'ufficio prenotazioni in USA si attacca a Palermo perche' qui' non esiste il personale,il terminale cargo di cui alitalia abeva il diritto di prelazione a quattro soldi fu svenduto circa nel 1996 cosi' alitalia dovette affittarsi il terminale di sua proprieta'.
Cosa volete vendere? Il VERO tesoro alitalia sono le rotte di cui ha il diritto di volo e spece in USA sono tante e sempre mal usate. Questo tesoro fa appetito a qualche speculatore?????????? A chi andranno quando l'Alitalia sara' SVENDUTA o DONATA ?

Con tanto affetto nei suoi riguardi
Gaetano Carcone

Posted by: Gaetano Carcone | October 14, 2006 02:06 AM


Alex

If the price were right and control could be extricated from the Italians, the brand could be turned around - negative image is better than no image! It would not be easy to do this and as you say, payroll would be a nightmare, but everyone has a price and most must know that sooner or later Alitalia is going to go to the wall and it will drag the government in its wake.

With the right will it could be brought down gently, however at present the will is not there, and none of the parties here have the guts to do anything - until, of course, it will be miles too late.

Posted by: Alex R | October 13, 2006 11:23 PM


Alex R

I think it would be possible to find a buyer for Alitalia's assets. I can't imagine someone willing to purchase the company as a whole.

Just the problem of dealing with the payroll should be enough to scare most away.

Why purchase the Alitalia brand--which most associate with poor service, unreliable schedules, etc.? I guess it has a negative brand value.

The'd have to be pretty damn lucky to find a buyer.

Otherwise, I agree with your initial suggestion--shutting it down is definitely a good idea.

Posted by: Alex | October 13, 2006 10:01 PM


Alitalia should be closed down, or at least sold off to a non-Italian buyer, who could sort the whole horrible mess out. The Alitalia situation reminds me of good old British Leyland - a state funded disaster of a company in the UK - it was eventually sold off and saved the UK taxpayers millions. Maybe the same thing will happen to Alitalia one day - but things tend to move very, very, very, very slowly in Italy......

Posted by: Alex R | October 13, 2006 07:17 PM


Enrichetto,

Good answer. Is it you?
Or one of your clones?

If you start posting such cool replies, it will be no fun picking on you anymore!

Posted by: Raffaella Birotella | October 13, 2006 04:48 PM


Birotella go fly your own kite.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | October 13, 2006 04:28 PM


In North America, flights are very expensive. I work in a gas station and I could not afford a flight to Europe.

So I bought a canoe.

Nex year I will paddle my canoe back to Italy to visit my family.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | October 13, 2006 03:57 PM



ALITALIA SUCKS

Like everything else that is Italian, is run by Italians or has anything to do with Italy or Italians.

Posted by: Suleiman Eunarapin | October 13, 2006 03:53 PM


Raf we are saying the same thing,I am past the subject,let stick to Alitalia,Roberto and Vanni can look into the blog archives,for ours answers to their question.ciao :-))

Posted by: evakulnura | October 13, 2006 02:09 AM


Vanni and Roberto Giorgi,

FLY ALITALIA!!!

Posted by: paola filinesi | October 13, 2006 12:27 AM


Joselle,
But of course Alitalia will be declared bankrupt as soon as the "raccomandati" have found other secure jobs and those "harmed" by the above decision are adequately compensated!!!

Naturally, it will be nobody's fault and no one will be held responsible for the company's financial state...If an airline like SWISSAIR can go bankrupt after 70 years of profit and a few "minor" CEO decisions, why can't ALITALIA???(!!!)

Posted by: paola filinesi | October 13, 2006 12:25 AM


Awating comments

Posted by: vanni | October 12, 2006 10:09 PM

In italy we have vaticano and pope and a lot of falsity. From another point of view an illegal condition can be the right place where a person can abuse teen girls or child or combine with drugs etc...
Often society wants to forget what man is made of, and so real criminal conditions find liveable space.

Posted by: Roberto Giorgi | October 13, 2006 12:18 AM


Perhaps it is time Alitalia is declared bankrupt and maybe a smaller, more organized and manageable company formed, not having anything to do with the State. My husband who knows a thing or two about the aviation history says that everytime Alitalia flies, money goes down the drain because it is a bankrupt company and should be dismantled. It employs too many people, is far from competitive and, above all, seems to be the company that has always offered jobs to the "raccomandati".

Posted by: Joselle Camilleri | October 12, 2006 11:31 PM


Eva: ;-) we had more than 100 comment one month ago about this theme!
Let's talk about Alitalia! ;-)))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | October 12, 2006 10:58 PM


Vanni Please not again!we already wrote about a month ago,we are talking about Alitalia, can we do your topic in one year time,when we all recover from it,thanks ciao :-))

Posted by: evakulnura | October 12, 2006 10:47 PM


caro Roberto,prostitution is often described as the oldest job in the world and yet, here we are
in the 21 century still debating wether it right
or wrong to legalised it. I suppose it takes guts
from any governement to down that road but from
what i hear it seems to be working pretty well
in Holland and few other countries. So the question is: why can't the others follow suit?
Awating comments

Posted by: vanni | October 12, 2006 10:09 PM


It's not just a matter of price, it's a matter of a) image, b) reliability.
a) if you purchase an Alitalia ticket for a European flight, 8 out of 10 you will travel with Air France or Lufthansa or KLM, so called partners. That makes no sense.
b) if you flight Alitalia and, consequently, transfer from an Italian hub, the chance to be involved in a strike are, I guess, at least five or more times higher than any other choice.
Cimoli is just a John Doe, everyone in business knew from the beginning he would have achieved no other results than draining money from the government. No future for such company, unless a real manager (kind of Iacocca) takes the wheel.
Cheers


Posted by: Andy Stocket | October 12, 2006 09:53 PM


How is prostitution situation in your countries?
Here in Italy there were specifically legal places
lot of years ago, but with a referendum italians people decided to close those: the result is that streets are in an invasion situation by africans girls without legal permission stay in Italy, but also est girls, albanians girl. There are good zones with honest people that during night, and sometimes day also, that have to pay attention when they take the kids to school.
So, legal prostitution is good or bad?
(Sorry my bad english)

Posted by: Roberto Giorgi | October 12, 2006 08:43 PM


I know, Enrico. I was surprised to see the prices of domestic flight in USA, because I always thought they were much lower than in Europe.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | October 12, 2006 05:09 PM


Raffaella, in North America we can only dream of the prices you pay! Obviously, instead of competing against one another, our Companies are cozily setting prices in unison!
Isn't wild American Capitalism wonderful?

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | October 12, 2006 04:55 PM


Intercontinental flights excepted, between Europe I'm used to fly low cost , and I've always been satisfied.
It doesn't matter if Ryan Air, Blue Panorama or Easy jet, they are always on time, you can fly from Rome to Berlin for 50 Euros, and the security standards are good. I flow last week to Milan with Ryan Air for 35 euros oneway, the lowest Alitalia price ist 150 euros oneway. With low-cost companies I can save money, be on time and flight safe.
I don't give a damn If they don't offer me a cup of cofee!

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | October 12, 2006 04:42 PM


I've said it so many times it's getting boring...COPYCAAAATTT

Has any of you ever flown Olympic Airways??
If I change the name of the company and make it Alitalia, I can give you the future and the ending of it...amazing!!!

Now if we were to comment on quality of services rendered by various airlines, I would say that most of them offer poor quality meals, not reliable time schedules, rude staff, and dirty airports. If this is related to the economical situation of each company or to huge salaries I don't really know...

Posted by: paola filinesi | October 12, 2006 04:02 PM


A lways
L ate
I n
T akeoff
A lways
L ate
I n
A rrival

It says it all...

Posted by: baldo Lucaroni | October 12, 2006 03:11 PM


"Non ci credo - ha detto l'ex premier parlando a Campobasso per la campagna elettorale regionale - sarebbe un atto di banditismo e non sarebbe più una democrazia quel Paese in cui una parte politica andasse al governo e intendesse colpire l'avversario attraverso le sue aziende e le sue proprietà private. Non ci credo".

scusate non c'entra niente... ma BERLUSCONI non diceva che mediaset non era piu' sua e x questo non c'era conflitto d'interesse????????

Posted by: vincenzo corsini | October 12, 2006 02:34 PM


I know a person who works for Alitalia. For the last 3 years she has been employed but stays at home on "Cassa d'integrazione" (I hope I spelt it right)and gets 80% of her salary. Her nett monthly salary for staying home on "Cassa" is 1300 euros per month. Her job (when she had to go to work) was working behind an enquiry counter at the airport. She earns more staying home than most people do who have to go to work!

Posted by: Banjo Patterson | October 12, 2006 01:17 PM


"If Prodi has a tiny bit of decency, he must give Cimoli the sack (and ask him for damages). He must sack the Board of Directors and the top management. "
How strange, I wrote to my colleagues (I am a retired Airline Pilot) to ask the government to impose damages and restitution of the "galactic wages" just three days ago, on the eve of the meeting Alitalia-Government-Unions!
I would also ask compensation from his management board as well for their complicity, because what was happening had been many times and for a long time (two years) exposed by all pilot unions with the exception of ANPAC, "God knows why!"

Posted by: Orlando Giacich | October 12, 2006 12:58 PM


I have to agree with you guys, in my travelling I flu with Alitalia twice,and was a nightmare,air Bangladesh was far better,at least the hostess are very nice and not rude and up to themself

Posted by: evakulnura | October 12, 2006 12:29 PM


Agreed pat, they represent the worst of italy, useless management, unions who continue to strike secure in the fact that the italian's taxes will continue to fill up the holes their useless posturing continues to dig, and politicians who continue to throw money down a hole "for the good of italy"..

They should sell the planes, fire the entire company, and use the tax money to fix the schools.

Posted by: Nick W | October 12, 2006 11:51 AM


Alitalia is a joke!!

They should be declared bankrupt and sack the lot of them. From the top down. Apart from the ridiculous prices the staff are rude, unhelpful and always on strike. An Italian embarrassment.

Posted by: pat kerr | October 12, 2006 11:03 AM


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