Mafia States of Italy


Campania, Calabria and Sicily have already set about and concluded their secession. Puglia is on the waiting list. They are by now governed by secession movements with the consent of part of the population. They have scores of thousands of armed men.
Just to give an idea, they deal in the sale of arms with ETA of the Basque country and with other international movements. They import and export goods for thousands of millions of Euro.
They buy into banks and insurance companies all over the world. They build sky scrapers and cities. They manage politicians as though they were taxis. They get a ride and then they pay for the journey. Sometimes they even kill the taxi driver. They control everything. Territory. Economy. Politics.
With discretion and when necessary, with strong measures.
If, once upon a time, one asked how many ministers and parliamentarians were in the so-called organized crime groupings, today, this question no longer has any point. It’s no longer crime but a different form of State.
Maybe it’s not pleasing. But that’s the situation. And it no longer needs to be represented by anyone. The Lega used to talk and run political meetings and in the South they just acted.
Bossi has to change strategy. He needs to set up the 'ndragheta of the Madunina. St Mark’s camorra. Piedmont’s mafia.
Without a referendum. Without getting too much into the public eye. He should go to a dinner at Arcore to get some advice. In four-five years the North too will be criminalized and free.
A Central coordinating government will still be needed to avoid bloody conflicts of interest. A "Parliamentary caucus of the Mafia States of Italy". He would keep only a single Ministry, the Justice Ministry together with its current tenant. A Ministry offering a guarantee.

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I remember thinking that the capture and arrest of Bernado Provenzano all those months ago heralded a new era in Italy-one in which it might finally be able to shake off the grip of the Mafia. On the same day that crook Berlusconi was beaten in the elections-this is a man that all italians know had strong Mafia connections and yet remained in power!

However, i've come to realise that the Mafia's influence (and the corruption it creates) runs too deep in so many parts of Italian society. Its more than a criminal organisation, its a way of life and "a way of getting things done" which has evolved within the country in the place of a democratic form of governing (as with the UK where i was born).

I spent the summer in Gela, Sicily (where my father was grew up) and realised there just how much influence the Mafia still have in Sicily particularily. The carabineri are struggling to get to grips with the upsurge in activity from La Stidda (Gela's criminal organisation). It seems to me that so long as the Italy's infamous bureaucracy swamps all legal and political matters people will always turn to bribes and corruption, simply because there is no other easy way of getting things done!

For people of my grandfather's generation in particular the Mafia is still the organisation that resisted Mussolini's black shirts and sadly not the lowlife criminals they really are at heart. Perhaps with Italy's new generation of intelligent/educated youth there is hope, but i doubt it.

Posted by: Matthew Iraci | December 12, 2006 01:12 PM

I've signed up for the meet-up and I'm going on Monday 27th November.

And yes, Italians overseas can do a lot to help Italy - by writing here you are showing that the current mess bothers you. And heck, if I came from a country as wonderful and beautiful as Italy I would want to come back someday.
I would love to turn Italy into an example for the whole world to follow - a shining example of what people can do when they really want to - without killing anyone or blowing up things to make a point. Real democracy - not the shadow of democracy which has invaded the Italy of today.

Posted by: Alex R | November 23, 2006 11:11 AM

I've signed up for the meet-up and I'm going on Monday 27th November.

And yes, Italians overseas can do a lot to help Italy - by writing here you are showing that the current mess bothers you. And heck, if I came from a country as wonderful and beautiful as Italy I would want to come back someday.
I would love to turn Italy into an example for the whole world to follow - a shining example of what people can do when they really want to - without killing anyone or blowing up things to make a point. Real democracy - not the shadow of democracy which has invaded the Italy of today.

Posted by: Alex R | November 23, 2006 11:10 AM

Chico,I do think that us Italians abroad can do much,look what happen with the last election think if a change is going to happen is coming from oversesas,we already have one minister,and one senator do need more of them,in parliament,and about the italians in Italy,they have been brainwash with crappy television by the Berlusconi and inc,Beppe would do a great job if he could get is feet in television again and reach the masses,and Alex if you do go to Milan,good on you for caring,we need all the help that we can get,ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | November 23, 2006 08:10 AM

I am an Italian and proud of it, but unfortunately I am currently living abroad and therefore there is not much I or other Italians abroad can do. But I tell you what I would be doing if I was living in Italy. I would be demonstrating in the main city square every Sunday with a placard on my back with "RESET" written on it. I would probably be arrested and locked up as a mad man, but at least I would be noticed.

Dear Alex R, It's good to know that even though you are not Italian, you care so much about Italy that you are prepared to take some action. I would encourage you to go to Beppe Grillo's meet-up and let him know that Italians abroad are fully behind him. Good Luck!

Posted by: Chicho Chichi | November 23, 2006 06:57 AM

Count me out. I gave up on the idea of changing the Italian people long time ago and things have only got much worse. It takes generations to change behavioral patterns that go back many centuries. You can't do it by fiat (and it's not the car I'm referring to here...).

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | November 22, 2006 11:50 PM

Yes, Italy is a 'bit of a mess' as you put it and aggressive minorities do cause problems - but they are just that minorities that represent their own blinkered self-interest.

"environmental protection, sustainable economic growth, transparency, publicly verifiable and fixable government actions."
are all important issues that would need to be included in any manifesto. A totally new party could do things to remedy situations that require attention.

Yes, Italians do need to be taught to think differently - which is something else a new party could do. I keep on banging on about this, but I'm going to say it again - Italy needs fresh politicians to develop a fresh approach and reduce to existing bunch to nothing more than a bad memory.

De Pietro is not the solution to Italy's ills, but he is one of the few people who know that the ills exist and that wants to do something to sort the situation out.

Forming a new party would require a herculean effort and lots of money. The road would be tough, but, the overall objective: making Italy what it should be - is worth the effort. And wouldn't it be nice to know that you got the ball rolling in the right direction.

Action is necessary - not violent action, but real effective action.

I'm thinking of going to the Grillo meet-up in Milan next week to see what people have to say and to discover if there really is a will to get a new party up and running - but I am not Italian, so I don't know if Italians would even want to listen to me - which would be understandable - but if someone could just plant a seed - that would be something.

Posted by: Alex R | November 22, 2006 07:57 PM


Posted by: Davide Pierce | November 22, 2006 07:20 PM

Alex and Prince: I think highly of Di Pietro, even if I didn't vote him, but I don't believe in saviors or messiahs. One man is not enough to change the country, we need a complete change in the italian way of thinking and everyone who doesn't follow the mainstream must give his contribution.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | November 22, 2006 06:44 PM

I have been reading and writing in the english session of this blog because the italian one is just reflecting too much the country situation: a bit of a mess. I am glad to find people here that write without "shouting".
Alex R I agree with what you're saying and I couldn't agree more when you're mentioning "our children".
I've been leaving in the Perfida Albione for what it seems to be a long time and despite its many problems I find extremely refreshing that there are 2 main parties. The people of the Pulcinella country, the Banana Republic, the 3rd world of Europe, the Mafia country, as many english call the Bel Paese, deserve a better future.
So many beautifull words but we hardly see real actions. It seems that when people get down to the square to protest a minority is always ready to aggressively shout and smash things around so to get the media attention and dimish the genuine effort of the protest.
I understand that people are tired, angry, stressed, etc. but differencies and political antogonisms should be put aside to concentrate on 3 drammatically urgent issues: environment protection, sustainable economic growth, transparent, publicly verifiable and fixable (by replacing the incapacity of the people) government actions.
They'll send me home if I f**k up something in my job. Why shouldn't we do the same with the people that are running our countries?
Our children deserve a better place!!!
Thx for the opportunity.

Posted by: Perfida Albione | November 22, 2006 06:34 PM

DiPietro is one of the few politicians who would be ideal to lead a completely new party. He is having problems because he has had to join forces with the old guard. If he could work with new people, then possibly he could get things done.
Out with the old and in with the new!!

Posted by: Alex R | November 22, 2006 06:01 PM

Alex R and Enrico:
I'm in favor of driving the bums out of the Italian government.
Let's not forget that DiPietro if following that road and he's having problems.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 22, 2006 05:42 PM

Enrico Rossi,
"Unfortunately the honest Italians are probably successfully living abroad as they left the quagmire long ago"
I disagree with you here - I know that there are still a lot of honest Italians in Italy - and maybe we could even convince a few of those abroad to come back to Italy!!

"Your comments are correct in principal but would be very difficult to put in practice"
Yes, this is true - but nothing worth fighting for is ever easy. And you say 'difficult' - which is very different from impossible!! It can be done - where there is a will, there is always a way. Our children deserve this.
First it would be necessary to take control at regional level and then go for national control. I'm not talking bombs and guns, but ballot boxes and votes. Give the people a valid, fresh and new alternative and they will go for it.
Would anyone like to get together and talk about this?
Io parlo l'italiano abbastanza bene, ma non scrivo molto bene purtroppo. Sto pensando a mettere i miei pensieri/proposte sulla parte Italiano di questo blog. Che ne pensate? Non sono Italiano - ma credo fortemente che l'italia merita di essere salvato/cambiato per il meglio di tutti quanti.

Posted by: Alex R | November 22, 2006 04:35 PM

Your comments are correct in principal but would be very difficult to put in practice...and Grillo
(with all due respect and I do mean it) does everything he can in his power to stir the masses. This is his line of work (his mestiere) and he is very good at it!!!
Taking the responsibility to lead a country is another thing and it probably requires other qualifications. That's why today’s politicians are a failure...

«Unfortunately the honest Italians are probably successfully living abroad»
They probably are and still have the power of voting and we can make the difference!!!

If "Good Italians" decide to go back and fight for the benefit of their country there might be a change...
Becoming "citizens of the world" has gradually changed all that....there is no patriotism any more (and what might ask)
I don't really have an answer.....

Posted by: paola filinesi | November 22, 2006 03:40 PM

Hello there, I am in complete agreement with Mr. Chicho Chichi (Whatever his/her real name is) the so called bigots Italian that are willing to pay through their noses for the soccer star millions of Euros with no problem and actually make a big fuss when a delay to the championship lega comes about for serious crime and abuses and stubbing at the stadiums are a daily occurrences. What’s wrong with these Italians that complain about someone touching their national past time while they are not willing to stand up to the Politicians they voted themselves and are pick-pocketing them and a daily basis? Italians should wake up look themselves in the mirror and slap themselves few times, while doing that recite the mea culpa for the next decade. By the way I have a recommendation for Mr. Beppe Grillo sites, and is about the need of one more category and the Headline should be “Whatever happen to?” while the first Article (I would like to know it) should be about Mr. Stanca (Ex. IBM Executive for Italy) and if I remember correctly was the Ministry of Digitalization of the Public System (Or something like it, not sure). When his position was created the Government basically gave Mr. Stanca and IBM obviously a blank check (And a big one obviously) to put the Public Administration into the 21st Century. Many millions of Euros later the Public Administration is outsourced while the existing one have nothing to do just collect a paycheck, IBM has closed all the Facility under the IBM name in Italy (Everything comes from China) meantime the Public Administration has all IBM systems that nobody is using and with no Official support from IBM since one branch of Government doesn’t know what the other is doing (Brilliant idea the Postal Service has selected Microsoft as their Software Supplier of choice) with the expected result that the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. Now Mr. Stanca has probably received his handsome paycheck and exit bonus leaving an expensive mess behind him so that the next Government has to reinvent the wheel one more time. Job well done and like usually he goes of into the sunset and will be remembered as another Italian success.
Thanks for the Opportunity

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | November 22, 2006 02:47 PM

The problem in Italy is that few Italians are really patriotic. They will sing the national anthem at a world football match, they will go out in the piazzas by the thousands to celebrate Italy's win of the World Football Cup, but will never demonstrate against the quagmire of Italian politics and the corruption of the political parties, public officials and police. Italian politicians are egotistic and selfish and more interested in their own ego and welfare than what is good for Italy. Taking John F. Kennedy's words as a model, Italians including politicians, should ask not what Italy can do for them, but what they can do for Italy.

Posted by: Chicho Chichi | November 22, 2006 02:43 AM

Alex: You wrote "I believe in Italy and the real Italians."
Unfortunately the honest Italians are probably successfully living abroad as they left the quagmire long ago. People who were willing to put up and shut up are still in Italy and won't be good enough material to make your new cloth.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | November 22, 2006 01:34 AM

By starting a new party - a national party - you could choose new people - and, hopefully, persuade one or two of the better politicians to join forces - BUT NO coalitions - 50 years of coalitions have damaged this country. One party is needed, one united party - I really believe such a party would obliterate the current collection of ineffective one-pretend-party-from-many which has brought Italy to its knees. It should not be too difficult to persuade people to vote for such a party either - Italians are crying out for this. One united party, big enough to get a total majority, would be able to make real changes and deal with real problems. I want Grillo either as a politician or on the committee which chooses potential candidates. I would devote time to such a project - I believe in Italy and the real Italians.

Posted by: Alex R | November 21, 2006 11:40 PM

Alex R
Your idea is completely right.
The only thing that we would need in Italy is to get rid of all those politicians that caused all this and all those parties that are now completely rotten and out of contest.
The problem is where to find those people and how to find them before falling thru the cracks caused by obsolescence, corruption and Mafia.
And, of course, those people will need to arrive alive to their place and that implies staying out of freeway overpasses.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 21, 2006 10:53 PM

First off, I'm not Italian, but I have lived in Italy for quite a number of years and I really believe that behind the chaos there is a great country trying to get out. The current political system outwardly does not provide much hope, but there is a way. What Italy needs right now, says he arrogantly, is a new political party. One party which is capable of achieving a total majority, thereby eliminating the situation in which one tiny party can bring a government crashing down over and over again, something which has led to the creation of the desperate situation which exists now. One party would provide the country with the stability it needs to defeat the problems which affect this wonderful country.
So come on, let's choose a name and form a party. It will be a long and difficult road but the future of a great country is at stake. As Mr Grillo has been saying - RESET! It can be done - the mood is right.
Oh and sorry for going off-topic.

Posted by: Alex R | November 21, 2006 10:47 PM

I had no doubt! ;-)))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | November 21, 2006 08:27 PM

Me too

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 21, 2006 08:23 PM

Prince, I know WHY, and you? ;-)))))))

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | November 21, 2006 08:22 PM

Enrico: it's true!
The motto: "Li ho fregati!" along with a dog that will bit them in the ass.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 21, 2006 08:22 PM

Giovanni: don't forget to add the motto "Li ho fregati!" to your banana flag.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | November 21, 2006 07:11 PM

And you know why?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 21, 2006 07:03 PM

We must change italians minds. The mafia is not only a criminal organisation, is a deep-seated mentality.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | November 21, 2006 06:55 PM

We just need to change the flag and then everything is ready.
We can put a bunch of bananas at the center, which is what this Republic is all about today.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | November 21, 2006 06:31 PM

What a shame!
There is the NEED to have some NEW POLITICIANS! Not the old, reused one. Politics does not help the environment, even if you recyle it, and so the politicians!
Italy needs to be cleaned up, needs someone with strong ideas and high respect for the law! I have just described the OPPOSITE of the 99% of our employees...

Posted by: Carlo Nicora | November 21, 2006 01:57 PM

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