Ministers not informed of the facts


Photo: from L'espresso

The Ministers are people who are not informed of the facts. No one ever tells them anything. And when they are informed of facts that are in their area of competence. On things in the public domain. On the stuff that they should administer for us. Then, feeling found out, they react. They get indignant. They are surprised. They make declarations. They make inspections.

A journalist with L'espresso has denounced the hellish conditions in the Policlinico di Roma: "Starting from the porter who clocks in for his absent colleague, to the out of date medicines, right up to the violation of safety and hygiene regulations. Contagious and radioactive laboratories are unguarded, there's dirt and cigarettes everywhere."
After the results of the inquiry were published, the Minister Livia Turco sent the NAS Carabinieri to 321 public hospitals to inspect their hygiene conditions. "It wasn't an action that needed taking" she explained. 181 were not OK.

A Repubblica journalist camped out in Rome's civil Tribunal from 9:00 am until 1:00 pm every day for a week:
"I had the chance to take away documents wrapped up in newspaper. I could have brought out whole trials by hiding them in two lawyers briefcases. I could have penetrated into the most intimate folds of the existence of men and women who for the most varied of motives have been dragged into the justice system by business partners, employees, husbands, wives, competitors, patients, insurers, fellow residents, legal doctors and even by their children. And everything completely or almost within sight. Everything very near. It would be enough to stretch out your neck and open up your bag."
The Minister of Pardon and Justice Clemente Mastella declared:
"Amazing and chilling, but at the same time I notice that it is a situation that it is possible to live with. Even though it doesn't correspond with the needs for privacy nor for justice. I believe that from 2010 we will be able to use telematics for these actions, so as to be able to avoid nasty surprises."
The extraordinary thing is that the facts that have been brought to light have happened in Rome, not in Cuneo or Crotone. At two steps from the Ministries of Health and of Justice. Rome the centre of the world.

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Don't say it twice!

First I have to see how this one will work and then, if you hear "bestemmie" from the other side of the ocean, you can make me an offer.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | February 1, 2007 12:49 AM

I forgot....
Long live the Mafia...!!! :o))

Posted by: paola filinesi | February 1, 2007 12:43 AM

This is not bad news at all...(of course I am joking...)

That's a business opportunity for me...You know that living in a "not so advanced" country means that we've got all the XP's you wish for...."Old" technology is always dumped on us...:o)))
Come on make me an offer....!!! I would sell you mine....But hurry up...stock is limited...:o))))

Posted by: paola filinesi | February 1, 2007 12:40 AM

Giovanni, this is especially unfair because Microsoft Operating Systems are well known for their trouble in their first year and Windows XP does most of the important tasks anyway. My technician advised me not to switch to Vista for at least a year. He thinks this release is the equivalent of a beta version and will be followed by a myriad of patches. Keep us posted on how you are doing and cross your fingers!

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | January 31, 2007 09:30 PM

Enrico & Paola:

Just to add insult to injury:
In the last 3 weeks I decided to replace my old computer at home because it's giving up.

Well, for 3 weeks I was looking for some models that, according to the manufacturer's website, were supposed to be "at stock".

Instead I got the "run around" only to find out that they were all gone because everybody was pushing Vista.

I tried to get something with XP without any success.
Also, the computer salesman told me that will be impossible to find XP in stores now.
Only yesterday I had to give up and get a new double-processor model with Vista which will be delivered in a week.

If only my PC gave up 3 weeks before this, I would've been lucky to get the last old ones with the old operating system.

What a Mafia!

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 31, 2007 08:50 PM

You could refer to football as well...that is a BIG "pacifier"...!!!

However,nowdays diverting people's mind from serious issues it's not such a problem, because I am beginning to wonder if we do have "a free thinking" mind any longer...??? :o(

Posted by: paola filinesi | January 30, 2007 11:46 PM

Giovanni, you've got it, we are being manipulated from cradle to casket. Walking in a mall today I saw a very large poster featuring a nice and very normal girl holding a measuring tape around her waist with the underwritten comment: "Mommy I think I can afford to lose some weight!" A Company involved in one of those crazy diets must have been sponsoring the ad.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | January 30, 2007 09:47 PM


No, it's not Cocco Bill.
It reminds me more about "Mandrago il Mago", from Jac.

Of course I prefer Paris to Jac's Kamasutra: what bothers me it's all this insane attention to it that takes away space from people's mind.
It's like a big pacifier shoved down people's throats to keep them quiet and make them forget their troubles.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 30, 2007 04:03 PM

It's not Cocco Bill you are talking about,is it???


What about "Giove il Bove" and "Raimondo il Vagabondo"...:o))

ps. By the way,what's wrong with Paris Hilton, don't tell me you would both prefer Jacovitti's "Kamasutra"...!!!

Posted by: paola filinesi | January 30, 2007 12:29 AM

"Do you remember the salami with the feet in the Jacovitti's comic strips?" I remember cut salami everywhere, amputees and the famous Signora Carlomagno. That was a long way back.....

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | January 29, 2007 11:00 PM

By the way:
Did you guys see that the article about that man disappeared from Corriere Della Sera online?

They replaced it with more bullshit about Sanremo, Pippo Baudo and dieting bullshit.

What a shame.

While the Nation goes to shit the information makes sure that we know hom many millions of dollars Paris Hilton is making while embarrassing herself and creating more stupid stereotypes.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 29, 2007 10:27 PM


Do you remember the salami with the feet in the Jacovitti's comic strips?

Our government is now a caricature that would fit that and the symbol can be slightly changed from the Salami to the Mortadella On Foot.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 29, 2007 10:17 PM

We thought we did when we voted last time, but obviously we voted for "Janus" the god of transition from past to future according to Roman mythology....The thing is that "he" hasn't turned his head to the right direction yet....:o(

Posted by: paola filinesi | January 29, 2007 09:47 PM

Hello there,
I am really astonished, although not to this specific facts or this specific issue with Hospitals but to the fact that these news and investigation are published as “Astonishing Scoops”.
Folks this is the daily reality in Italy, and not just in Hospitals but in every Government Agency.
I do recognize that Hospitals are of Primary importance though, but degradation, mismanagement, abuses, lack of basic care and disregard are rampant in any activity Government Agencies and Government employee are in charge.
Are you really surprise, or just because newspapers put these photos in the first page this should cause public outrage?
Italians are well aware how thing works (Better sat, don’t work in Italy) and tomorrow these will be old news and nothing will change, and to make the matter worst, everyone know why!
Responsibility and accountability? To whom they are Responsible?
No one, blatant example Gasoline, investigation started, result in 14 months (Do you really think they will find them guilty of a cartel?) the same can be sat about Justice, Prisons, Hospitals, Motor Vehicle Agencies (To the point that they are thinking of eliminating this Agency) etc.
Anyone would think, that after all the fuss about Rome Hospital (Forgot the name) the director would be gone and replaced right, wrong he is still there and will be there because the money is too good and the responsibility are blamed on the people before, and life goes on as always did.
Nothing changes until Responsibility will be required.
It seams a little naďve, that all the Directors, Managers when they get a Job from the Government to run these Hospitals Agencies Companies, do they sign a contract with goals plans and checks and balances?
Although when the shit hits the fan, all these Director claim ignorance, the management before and the political bureaucracy, like they were not aware of these problem before hand.
They shouldn’t apply for jobs they can’t realistically do or run, but no the money is too good to pass up and the responsibility, well we know about those issue don’t we?
Fire all this idiots on the spot, and actually take them to court for non compliance with their Contract and ask for damages, let’s see how many people will submit their resume the next marry go around for the Positions.
Rest my case Government out of managing any Business better run by the Public!

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | January 29, 2007 01:32 PM

Hey Keith!

Doesn't that remind you of a trial that went on 60 years ago in Nuremberg?

The defendant were saying that they didn't know anything and they were just following orders!

How similar! Isn't it?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 29, 2007 12:01 AM

I was appalled but not surprised to hear about the conditions of the Italian hospital system in Italy. How frustrating it must be for the people of Italy to see their politicians doing absolutely nothing with their taxes and not having the power to do anything about it. And when you look at the root of these problems, clearly there is no accountability of politicians. The American system of government is not perfect as we all know, but the recent elections that gave majorities to the Democrats clearly showed that the voters are not happy and wanted change. The only way to get politicians to listen to the people is to make them accountable and to instill the fear of losing their jobs.

Posted by: Keith Preble | January 28, 2007 10:42 PM

It's easy to find out why these "guys" do not know anything about what happens around.
That's because they are living in the parallel world of luxury and exclusiveness while the taxpayers must deal with all this shit.

By the way: did you read the article about that old man that yesterday died at the hospital near Torino because the doctors did not take care of him?
Those Nazi-Bastards pulled out the excuse that nobody dialed 118 and let this man to die.

I would like to know what would happen if the same thing happened to Previti or some other "guy" like him.

We are getting more and more into Medieval Times.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | January 28, 2007 03:38 PM

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