I want you to….

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I want you who goes at 200 an hour on the motorway. You who double parks and the cyclist that’s avoiding you ends up dead under a car. You who with your juggernaut in the city knock down a woman on the pedestrian crossing.
You who, drunk, kill 4 young people with a truck on the wrong side of the road. You who don’t create protected cycle tracks in the city. You who do publicity about speeds that are beyond the allowed limits.
You who allow publicity about speeds that are beyond the allowed limits. You who are in the government, who hope and never lift a finger.
I want you, wherever you are, in Parliament, in the Town Hall, in the living room, to get closer to the screen for a second. And without turning your eyes away, to read this FxxK YOU, written just for you.
Eleonora Allevi, 19 years, Alex Luciani, 16 years, Danilo Traini 17 years and Davide Corradetti, 16 years, died yesterday on a road in Italy.
Did they have less value than Mastrogiacomo or any journalist that ends up as a hostage? Did they have less value than the vacuum-packed party conferences running currently?
Did they have less value than a game of football? And of the whole media circus that goes with it? We can say with absolute certainty: They had less value.
Whoever killed them risks losing their driving licence and 5 years in prison. I believe that the moment of zero tolerance has arrived for assassins behind the wheel. The car can be compared to a weapon. Whoever uses it to kill must do 30 years inside.
Those who should prevent and control: the traffic police, the local police, are hardly ever there. I don’t know why. Lack of staff.
Office work. It doesn’t matter to me. The result is that everyone does what they want on the road. In the fast lane on the motorway if you respect the speed limit you are risking your life. They are coming up behind you flashing at you at 200 an hour. Not just on Saturday night.
Hardly ever young people.
Let’s get respect for the rules by always denouncing those who break them on the roads. Let’s insist, even though it seems useless. Let’s stop the assassins on the road.

Two practical steps:
- don’t buy and don’t let others buy cars that are advertised to go at speeds above the legal speed limits
- insist that your mayors give you segregated cycle paths right through the city. Let the meet-ups, if they want to, help and promote the initiative. I’ll create a special section to gather the information.

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good your site thanks

Posted by: sohbet | July 15, 2007 06:44 PM


good your site

Posted by: sohbet | July 15, 2007 06:43 PM


How many Italians came across to the experience of paying an ‘extra-hidden’ charge to have the driven license easily and without problems…. This is a game that driving schools do from a long time: “give me a small gift and you will get your driving license trouble free”. It is the same rule that applies to everywhere, pay ‘extra-hidden’ costs and you get the service (politics, buildings, offices, health care etc. etc.). After years and years of such careless system it does not come to surprise that there are so many arrogant and irresponsible drivers.
Irresponsible drivers should be punished but in order to bring more order for the future we should also check for the root (driving schools) and remove the people that allow such drivers to be on the road. I believe that it is something fairly easy to catch a driving school while taking ‘extra’ money…. or is it very hard? The police could send anybody pretending to take a driving license and when ‘extra-money’ are handed to the right person …may-be a… some good laws can be applied.
Unfortunately, one of the big problems in Italy is that many citizens are aware about broken laws but they are also so used and discouraged that most of the time things are left to pass over. It is needed a wake up of ourselves and a remove of the sense of worthless from our hearts.

Posted by: salvo rossi | May 27, 2007 03:25 PM


Hi everyone!

Talking about driving in Italy..... uhmmm do they know how to drive?
Man everytime I'm on the road for a 5 miles drive you can bet I will have from 5 to 10 Michael Schumacher wannabe at 10 cm behind my car.
I always ask myself why? Where the hell they wanna go? Do they all fear their wife is having an affair and need to rush home to surprise them in bed?
The speed limits are there and visible nothing to say about that, they can be a bit rusty but still visible, but....where is the POLICE??? I never see them...never.
I also agree that if somebody kills someone else while driving it should go to prison for no less then 30 years, they do it in England (and it works) why shouldn't we do it in this bloody country? And to all the M. Schumacher wannabe.... back off mate...you're a cornuto anyway...

Posted by: Simone Scialanga | May 1, 2007 05:13 PM


Joe,you are having one of your "raptus" again,and givin hard time to Raffa ed Enrico,make friends not enemy.ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | April 28, 2007 03:25 AM


Joe I wrote a message,but was cut off.

Posted by: evakulnura | April 28, 2007 01:50 AM


Men,cars and speed,nothing wrong with this,if you can do this in a safe environment without hurting somebody,like my husband does,when you live in a society that doesn't respect order and on the road is "everybody to himself"you can have speed limit as slow as a snail,it won't make any difference,and Beppe fast cars won't be long for too long.

Posted by: evakulnura | April 28, 2007 01:30 AM


Joe you lost the plot again?ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | April 28, 2007 12:45 AM


FROM:

www.beppegrillo.it/2007/04/limportante_e_v_1.html#comments


Facciamo due calcoli:


Beppe Grillo fa una media di 15 spettacoli al mese a cui assistono circa 2/3.000 persone a 25/30 € a persona, per un incasso pari a circa 1.300.000 € al mese.

Tolte le spese (personale,affitto dei locali o dei teatri etc...) gli rimangono sec me circa la metà di quei soldi, facciamo 500.000 € al mese, a cui vanno sommati gli introiti derivanti da questo blog (pare alcune decine di migliaia di euro all'anno...di qui il motivo x cui il suo staff è così premuroso a tagliare post scomodi ma veritieri come i miei...si sa anche lo staff tiene famiglia...)più quelli concernenti la vendita dei DVD...insomma un bel gruzzoletto pari almeno a 40 volte quello che guadagnano i nostri dipendenti in parlamento..

E tutto questo per cosa?Per fare la morale al Tronchetto e ai politici e chiedere di votare PRODI salvo poi pentirsene pochi mesi dopo ?

Per dire che col sole e i mulini a vento possiamo scaldare l'acqua calda e usare il PC x andare nel suo BLOG?

Per dire che non bisognerebbe più comprare macchine di lusso veloci?

What do you make of it Mrs BIFERALE??

In your view is my rough estimate right?

And what about your worlwide renowned "I CHING approach" (remember?), the gateway of the "nature" according to your words???

As I already told you a couple of weeks ago I'm extremely interested in deeping this exciting subject with you in Rome but need to know first how much does a session cost and how can I apply for it, you know?

I'm still waiting for your answer honey....so don't let me down and please leave Mr Prince alone (I'm very jealous of him....grrrrr)as long as you are still looking for a KING (KONG)of course...

Mr Prince is just a harmless (and broke)animal unlike me....ah, ah, ah, ah


A sweet kiss for you from your (broke)sweetheart Italian Prof KING (KONG).

Yours ever.

j O e the (sexy) KING

Posted by: The (sexy) King | April 27, 2007 07:53 PM


MESSAGE CUT by the democratic Mr Grillo's staff


DAVE MATTHES

Look at the posts here: most people are abroad--yet many cannot speak very good English...


Yeah...Mrs EVAKULNURA for instance...eh, eh, eh...but she probably got married with an aussi man (she said that Aussi men are better lovers than the Italian ones...eh, eh, eh...) so doesn't need neither speak nor write plain English exactly as Mr Enrico Rossi SNERT who probably got a job in CANADA by recommandation...ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!


Joking aside, I can tell you that when I went to London 5 bloody years ago my English was close to ZERO and because of that I managed to find a job just in ITALIAN restaurants working like a slave for little money scarcely enough to pay my expenses only (you know managers of Italian restaurants are known as the more bastards in London...),even if I was graduated in Economics (105/110).

So it's possible to live and work abroad with a little knowledge of the English language, but at what price??

Finally you said: "So, while I believe you´re right when you underscore the importance of language and profesional skills, I think it is often be possible to find something to do elsewhere, if one is determined.

It´s necessary to think positive, though! :) One must think of what he´s got and start from there".


Yeah but to do something elsewhere on your own (for instance to set up a business)and think positive,as you suggested me doing, it's necessary to know somebody there to take into partnership and an awful lot of MONEY to invest, as well as a good knowledge of the English language of course.

So how is it possible to think positive if both requirements are not met (especially the second one)?


Look forward to hearing from you very soon.

Prof Joe


Mrs EVAKULNURA: in your view, why was this message cut??

Posted by: Matthew's friend | April 27, 2007 07:25 PM


Raffaella, good answer! It´s good to see you have a sense of humor :D

PS
Shall I bring the whip--or do you have that already? ;)

Posted by: Domitilla Pifferoni | April 27, 2007 07:22 PM


Domitilla:
Why not?
;-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | April 27, 2007 07:18 PM


Raffaella, I like strict limits too!

In fact, when I´m being a naughty girl and drive 1 mph over the limit, I would love the cops to pull me over, drag me out of the car and beat me savagely! Whip me!! Yes! Yes!! Yeeeees!!!

Ohhhh... that would be sooo good!!!

See, we like the same things! Who knows, I may be your lost twin!! We should get together sometime ;)

Posted by: Domitilla Pifferoni | April 27, 2007 07:11 PM


By the way, Prince: driving in America is fantastic!!!!! I like it very much, because of the strict speed limits! Last summer I drove often on the Highways in Maryland and I found it very amazing! You can drive so slowly as you please, and you can relax yourself!
;-)

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | April 27, 2007 06:43 PM


Prince:
I agree with you that people must learn to be accountable for themselves. But traffic must be regulated, otherwise is chaos on the roads. If I act by myself and nobody must take the consequences of my acts, I can do everything, even to kill myself. If I want to take drugs is my own businnes, because I can only damage myself. But if I drive too fast on the public road, I can damage other innocent people.
Don't you agree with this?

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | April 27, 2007 06:33 PM


Just one note:

The concept of "fast" is relative. It depends on the context.

100 km/h can be dangerously fast in city streets, but dangerously slow if on a freeway.

And one can go too fast at any speed.

Posted by: Marcello Ferrari | April 27, 2007 06:19 PM


Raff

My opinion is that people must learn to be accountable for themselves.

I absolutely don't want to be sacrified for a handful of idiots.

This is the first step towards keeping people like chickens in a pen.

My intelligence refuses that and I will always fight that nonsense.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | April 27, 2007 05:58 PM


Prince:
you know, I'm against any form of prohibitionism, I'm for drugs liberalization and I want to live in a free country, but in spite of this I think that selling and buying too fast cars is idiotic. Everywhere in the world (except for Germany)there are very strict speed limits, and I agree totally with this fact. On the contrary, I hope that the car manufacturers, instead of producing more and more fast cars, will invest more money in the research of less polluting motors and better safety.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | April 27, 2007 05:06 PM


thank you very very nıce thank you very very much...

Posted by: nakliyat | April 27, 2007 03:11 PM


thank you very very nıce thank you very very much...

Posted by: nakliyat | April 27, 2007 03:09 PM


Thank God, so far I never killed or injured anybody with my car or my motorcycle, yet.

If I want to buy a fast car is my business only because I live in a free country.

If somebody else doesn't know how to drive or doesn't care about other people, that person must be punished.
What I don't like is the fact that I have to be punished too because of that idiot.

What is lacking here it's just the ability to make people understand their responsibility and maturity: forbidding the sale of such cars and putting stricter speed limits it's just the proof that the institutions failed to make people more conscious because they (the insitutions) like it that way.

If I want to buy a Ferrari it's my business only but I don't want to be put on the cross because of other people.

Period.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | April 27, 2007 02:34 PM


Eva and Joe

Eva, this could be your chance to start a marriage agency! :D

You make a good point with the pizza example. Often, being able to do something simple, but doing it well, provides opportunities that are easy to take.

I was at a conference on doing business in China a couple of years ago. One of the members of the audience was a guy who was preparing to open an ice-cream parlor in China.

Anyway, that particular conference was either at the Chamber of Commerce or at the local Confindustria offices. Those can be sources of information. Conferences too are good places to make contacts. There were presenters in the consulting business, both based in Italy and China, as well as Italian tax advisors assisting clients (even medium/small companies) who have made or ar making investments abraod.

While I am talking about China, I think the same should be true for most other major markets.

Consulates sometimes can provide info too--Joe, you can check their websites, as well as ICE.

Some medium/small companies in Italy probably have difficulty finding employees who speak English and are also willing to travel or relocate. So, if you are enthusiastic about it, they might be interested.

At the beginning though, it is important you get a good understanding of the business. Getting in is most important--even if the job is not great and you don´t make much money.

On this point, the sector you get involved in is key. Great talent can do little in a declining industry. There are much better opportunities for average talent in a fast growing business.

Think of which companies have the greatest chance to withstand the competition from emerging markets and then contact them.

I think it is worth trying, while you´re in Italy.

Ok, talk to you guys later!

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 27, 2007 02:13 PM


I listed three FACTS: Ferrari, accident, deaths.

These geniuses confirmed the facts and then attack me--because of the inferences they themselves made :D

It´s hilarious!


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 27, 2007 01:44 PM


Eh,eh eh eh,Joe and Dave you too are hysterical(in a good sense),funny very funny,well few tips for Joe,Australia recognize same sex defector relantionships,this could be one way to get into the country,you need a nice surfie ,blond blue eye,young men,if you choose this options,start getting busy,or come over next february when we have the gays and lesbians parade,they came from all over the world,great fun,next option is to marry a ozzie chics,I do not know about your sexual performance,you could be a real disaster,.....no I couldn't do this to my girfriends,what I seriously suggest you to learn how to make pizza,I am not joking,you will always make money with pizza,or use your "good english" to write,there are lots of things that you can do,Dave gave you few good tips too,pizza in China during the Olimpic you make a fortune!ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | April 27, 2007 07:32 AM


Guys... The solid ground you are talking about is your mind brain washed by all this years; if you dont have a gun,you cant kill me,if you crush at a slow speed you dont die. use your logic and instinct.Dont think you are clever only because you think you know a lot of things; There is such a thing as wrong and right; a high speed car is good for who sells it,'cause he gets a lot of money, a slow car does not put at risk peoples lives.
Conclusion; high speed car equals to good for one(wrong)
Slow speed car equals good for all(right).
Try to change the way you think because today if you have your feet on the ground you are just going to end up with a full pocket and your soul empty.
I work in a casino where people have fast cars and they are full of money;well,they are as miserable as misery and when they'll die in a car crush they will leave planet earth empty handed anyway.
Think bright.
As beppe says: we dont need energy,we need new tecnology.

Posted by: maurizio casu | April 27, 2007 06:32 AM


Joe,

Maybe you should marry an Ozzie too! :D

As for a more orthodox wax out of Italy...it is difficult to make suggestions in general and it is even more so given the limited information. But I´ll try.

Assuming you are in Italy, want to move abroad but do not want to spend much money in the process, what I can think of is:

Looking for a job with an Italian company that exports. If you get experience in the sector and make connections abroad, then opportnities to move should come.

Another idea is to pack up and go--like you did when you went to London. You learned the language there. After that, it might be possible to look for a better job. If you go to a country that is growing fast, opportunities should then be easier to find. China, India or some countries in Eastern Europe or SE Asia, for example. The cost of living should be low and after you have some experience there, you might find a job with an Italian company or might see some opportunity.

I know many people have done just this and eventually figured out a way. If you choose this option, however, you need to be able to handle uncertainty. Emerging countries with low cost of living offer the advantage that in the worst case you´re not inflicting excessive financial damage upon yourself.

Looking for a job directly in a foreign country, without going, is probably hard.

Another option could be to look for something to do on your own that does not require investing much money of your own. This is probably most likely with work on commission, with consulting or with trading--especially if you can get advance payment.

Many items are much cheaper elsewhere in Europe than in Italy. A friend of mine, for example, told me that with a bunch of people they ordered stuff from Germany. Now I don´t recall what it was, but I know that Germany has a very competitive distribution system and, as a result prices are quite low. Once they place the order, someone needs to puchase the items and then either take them or ship them to Italy. Since most purchases are returnable (and you get a refund), the risk is minimal. Customers either pay upfront, in advance, or upon delivery. If they do not pay, you can return the merchandise and get a refund, losing time, shipping costs and the gasoline you burned. Not nice, but it would not bankrupt you.

If I am not mistaken, you could try something like this out without having to set up a company--that is until you reach a certain limit of sales. Then, if it works, you could set up the company wherever is best--i.e. possibly outside of Italy.

This is just an idea, of course. There are other along these lines. And other completely different.

I think I mentioned this already. You could check the immigration websites of different countries to see whether you could qualify. Australia has a points systems, so you can just add up your points and see whether you can get in. I knew people from Russia and China who did that and got in.

The possibilities are many, the certainties are however few. And the hardest step to make is usually the first...

We can talk about this again and maybe some here will be able to contribute some suggestions. Maybe Eva knows some cute Ozzie chick who wants to marry an economist from Italy... ;)

We´ll see!

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Posted by: Karl Humanus | April 26, 2007 10:49 PM


Joe,

Look at the posts here: most people are abroad--yet many cannot speak very good English...

So, there must be some way... hahaha :D

(The Far East guy, for example... though I suppose he will unload his repertoire of misspelled slurs if you dare to ask! :D )

I think what you write about professional and language skills is true. It is especially so for high-skilled jobs.

In some cases, it is possible to get around these requirements though. One example is the case where job experience and established connections with customers are important. Sales reps sometimes fit in this category.

Their English skills may not be very good, but they know the product and the market. Italians also often do not like to move abroad or travel. So, the few who do often get opportunities.

There are other special circumstances. Some people have left and have first taken up minor jobs with the goal of learning the language. Then started something of their own--like trading between the host country and Italy, or opening up a restaurant...

Germany provides another perspective on this issue. There is a considerable outflow of Germans, which if I am not mistaken sees over 100,000 people leaving the country every year. Many of those who leave have not much more than a desire of starting a new life elsewhere and the professional training degree earned in their equivalent of our high school. Their skills are usually good and Germans have a reputation for reliability and honesty. So they usually manage to get by even without knowing the language. (If you have satellite tv and can see the German channels, there are many tv shows documenting the adventures of those who leave--lots of people going to lots of places doing lots of different things!)

So, while I believe you´re right when you underscore the importance of language and profesional skills, I think it is often be possible to find something to do elsewhere, if one is determined.

It´s necessary to think positive, though! :) One must think of what he´s got and start from there.

Regards

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 26, 2007 10:47 PM


Ciao Beppe,

mi associo al vaffanculo. ti dico che la mia piú grande paura in auto è che, per errore, investa qualcuno e metta in pericolo la sua vita.

Posted by: giuliano | April 26, 2007 08:15 PM


Aggressive behavior and lack of respect are far more dangerous than speed.

So I hope you people do not drive the way you write.

Posted by: Sonia Garbarini | April 26, 2007 03:34 PM


"Guys , please behawe,
no insults nor false allegation..."
Posted by: the far east observer | April 26, 2007 09:22 AM


IT´S THE SAME GUY WHO´S POSTING THE INSULTS BELOW...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Andrea Rimini | April 26, 2007 03:21 PM


I agree with what you have to say, but if I were you I would find another (and better) translator.

Posted by: Sonia Manzolini | April 26, 2007 03:16 PM


Fareast observer says:
"Fxxxyou stupid idiot that never had an incident."


TO FAREAST OBSERVER those who never had an accident and didn´t cause any deaths are IDIOTS.

Interesting!

PS
Your argument about safety (as well as Grillo´s) does not rest on solid ground. However, it would be wasted time to explain anything to you.

Keep posting your insults--and read them.

Have fun!
:D

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 26, 2007 03:03 PM


Grillo HAD (had) a Ferrari and now has a Toyota Prius, a hybrid vehicle (electric/fuel).
He HAD a car accident so he KNOWS what he's talking about.
It doesn't take that much brains to understand that...

Posted by: Alessandro Arcuri | April 26, 2007 01:47 PM


How many people will be killed today by TIRs on Italy's roads and motorways? Lorries that are unsafe and badly maintained, disconnected tachographs, drivers who drink, drivers who are forced to work illegal hours or they lose their jobs, drivers who go too fast with 25 tons of goods behind them, drivers who nod off and don't see the queue in front of them. Get the stuff onto the railways where it belongs? Fat chance!

Posted by: Arthur Hooper | April 26, 2007 12:45 PM


and because Grillo had a ferrari and had a dramatic incident in his life you think is not qualify better than you to write this article?
Fxxxyou stupid idiot that never had an incident.I wish you behind the whell of those disasters!!
speed kill! who own a ferrari is always stopped by police anyway as a resul goes slower.
if you loose your son becasue a drunk driver (maybe you have not one) read your words today

Posted by: Fareast Observer | April 26, 2007 11:40 AM


Dave let the past be in the past,and let's move on,ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | April 26, 2007 11:25 AM


LOOK WHO´S TALKING:

Grillo owned a Ferrari...

and had a car crash, which left 3 people dead!!

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 26, 2007 10:55 AM


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