Italy on the Moon

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Italy has an ecological footprint of 4.2. The footprint compares the inhabitants with the territory that can be used, energy, water, food. The more inhabitants there are for the same resources, the more the footprint seems like a kick up the backside and approaches zero.
The inhabitants with the greatest footprint, like Morocco with 0.9, are trying to get better footprints. The United States are among those who are the biggest consumers of resources. A small State like Maine has the same surface area as the North of Italy and 1,300,000 inhabitants.
The States must therefore have a tiddly footprint. But no, they’ve got 9.6. They consume the footprints of the others…
The solution to the Bossi-Fini is not a new law but new migration flows. Let the countries with the best pedigree take the emigrants and the excess of Italian pensioners. So let those who have a good quantity of resources and a low population density assume their responsibilities. Advice for the boat owners?
Canada 7.6, Sweden 6.1 and Australia 6.6. They can even be satisfied with France 5.6, with almost twice our surface area and a population only slightly higher than ours.
Italy is 35% mountainous and it’s saturated. It’s over-saturated. It needs emigration flows. We should do like the Japanese and keep 30% of the population round the world taking photos.
Laws are of no use against the impenetrability of bodies. The Po Valley no longer exists. It’s the Po Periphery. Rubbish is on the increase? Is there no longer water for all? Is there not sufficient energy? As well as consumption, let’s also reduce the inhabitants.
I want an ecological footprint of 7 and 50 million inhabitants. Not one more. The drop in population numbers is not taboo, nor a calamity. Move the power from those possessing capital to those possessing work. It’s a fortune, let’s not let it escape us.

Living Planet 2006 Report.

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Al signor Grillo;
C'e' un proverbio che dice;
Fa' quello che il prete ti dice,ma non fare quello che il prete fa'.

Posted by: marco campili | June 27, 2007 12:57 PM


Here's something I've been wondering about.

As time passes, what will people think of the book Eco-Freaks by John Berlau?

Berlau has no backgrond in science but he sure acts like he does. From what I've read he knows how to write short articles attacking the US government and he's apparently been involved in some kind of effort to legalise prostitution but that's it.

I'd compare him and his work to Stephen Hawking. Hawking writes about science which is what he knows and his book A Brief History of Time makes complicated topics accessible to people without extensive scientific training.

I rather doubt Berlau has read Hawking. Berlau thinks global warming is fiction and Hawking thinks it is serious.

Berlau takes himself very seriously. He's got people who run whole blogs who will defend him. If you get too close to the truth, people like Andrew Langer, Brooke Oberwetter, Marlo Lewis, Myron Ebell, Jessica Melugin, Julie DeFalco, Greg Conko, Nick Gillespie and Jacob Sullum will start to write nasty things about you.

Hawking on the other hand will figure out a cameo appearance in yet another Simpsons episode.

Just something to think about.

Posted by: Dennis Kelleher | May 6, 2007 07:32 PM


Hi Eva! :)

I don´t wanna play his lawyer or anything. I just thought it was funny to point that out and I am glad you have a good sense of humor! ;)

By the way, pretty nice chicks you know down there! :D

If you really wanna place the village beauty, I have a marketing trick for you: do not highlight the mustache and the sideburns in the next ad. ...the article might not sell anyway, but the chances will slightly improve!! :D

Ciao

Posted by: Dave Matthews | May 3, 2007 09:45 AM


Dave,are you always "l'avvocato delle cause perse"?don't you think that Joe can defend himself quite well?yes I should have avoided calling him"spoil brat",and what do you think,using the "pippoDepippisDepuppis"email address to find him a wife,(I might have somebody half interested,one problem thought,she has mustakes and side burns)do you think he as any chance at it?

Posted by: evakulnura | May 3, 2007 01:39 AM


Eva,

Yeah, "without name calling" sounds good... but then you called him "spoiled brat"!! :D

Anyway, "spoiled brat" is not that bad. ;)

Cheers

Posted by: Dave Matthews | May 3, 2007 12:34 AM


Joe,like always we can count on your charm to bright our day,what do you mean by " ci sei o ci fai in Australia",and about dopey,I had a BIg day yesterday I was wery wery tired,any change to have an exchange with you without name calling,like an adult,instead of a spoil brat?!.

Posted by: evakulnura | May 3, 2007 12:24 AM


Joe, your definition sounds good. Actually, very good! since that message of mine was imemdiately CUT! haha :)

Hey, we should found the ALTERNATIVE Grillini Club: the club for those who hardly ever agree with Grillo :D

...and you´d definitely be president!!!
:D

Posted by: Dave Matthews | May 2, 2007 11:49 PM


Joe,you are a grillino too,you like it or not,by the way,weren't yuo suppose to go somewhere?what happen are you still in Italy,it is why are you so angry all the time and take on people on this blog?yes you are witty,but at somebody else exspense,in short it is call "cyber bully",let's see if you can be funny and witty without taking on anybody,?Joe be happy don't worry! ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | May 2, 2007 10:28 AM


Joe,

Can you figure out where Ra.Bif. lives?
;)

Hint: it´s not that hard...
hahaha!!!

Posted by: Mark Sterling | May 1, 2007 04:38 PM


Joe,you are reaallly baaaaad!it is time to stop this,come on,you are better than this,you can make us laugh at nobody exspenses,you are accumulating lots and lots of bad karma,comon stop please

Posted by: evakulnura | May 1, 2007 08:45 AM


Raffaella,

When you take the subway in Rome... DO YOU KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR UMBRELLAS?

Posted by: W. Veltroni | April 30, 2007 11:25 PM


Joe,

Thanks for your kind remarks. I really appreciate your competence in economics and read your posts with interest.

From this blog, I realized how little most people understand of economics and finance—and, on the contrary, how much hype and misconceptions are accepted as truth.

This is, in my opinion, a serious (very serious) problem, both for individuals and for society.

As individuals, because of the ill-informed investment decisions they are likely to make for themselves.

As a society, because opinions are formed and votes are cast on the basis of distorted information. More often, utter disinformation.

The latest post on the closing of the mozzarella cheese plant is an example. Most comments are expressing outrage at the evil capitalists. But the problem is not that. Rather, that Italy has not created favourable conditions to attract capitalists! Which is the exact opposite!!

When people will vote, based on their incorrect perception of the problem, they will probably vote for a “solution” that will actually worsen it. This has brought Italy to where it is today—and will push it on, over the edge.

Of course, my message about Italy´s problems was incomplete. I am not even sure if one could ever get to the bottom of the list!! :D

You´re right when you indicate unions as a hindrance. But privileged castes, such as lawyers, notaries, doctors, architects, politicians, civil servants… these are just some of the many categories which enjoy the privilege of squeezing more money out of the citizens than they should. A lot more.

Lack of competition is also a major problem in the distribution system.

Taking privileges away, alone, would be a major feat. Yet, not enough.

There are no major sectors of excellence in Italy. There are no investment banks, no chemical sector, no high technology… At most, a few isolated companies.

The infrastructure is inadeguate. Same for energy.

Bureaucracy is horrible. The judiciary system is in shambles. The education system is utterly inadequate. Not to mention the fact that few people graduate. Of those few, most study subjects that do not contribute anything to the country´s advancement. Those few who study something useful to that end, (engineering, science, finance, for example…) usually find opportunities only abroad.

These are structural problems which are unlikely to be solvable now. Much less, when people do not have an understanding of economic dynamics and then vote to make things worse.

You pointed out too high taxes and tax evasion and I agree with you. Taxes are way too high and, as a consequence, there is a high level of tax evasion. Most tax money then is squandered and citizens end up paying for services they never get.

Taxes cannot really be lowered now because of the dangerously high level of public debt.

So, it´s catch-22! One determines the other.

In a normal country, this is what would happen. The state reduces the privileges and the inefficiencies. As a result, it does the same, but with less money. It cuts bureaucracy, which is like a tax but benefits no one—not even the state! The State then starts to reduce both the stock of public debt and also reducing taxes.

Citizens save money on bureaucracy and start paying less taxes. Less privileges produce more competition and more efficiency—and prices decrease. So, citizens would already see their living standards improve.

Since cutting debt is urgent, useless public assets should also be sold asap.

None of this is likely to happen in Italy. On the contrary, its competitive position is eroding fast and interest rates are increasing. The country´s prospects are not at all good.

Furthermore, I expect real estate prices to head south pretty soon. House prices and rents are ridiculously high and are not sustainable. I expect real estate prices to fall significantly. Many have taken up debt to buy at these ridiculous prices and are in to lose their shirts. Often, it is people who did not have much money in the first place (otherwise they would not have needed financing!).

If all comes tumbling down at once, social unrest is sure to follow…

I think Italy has let these problems pile up to high now. This situation cannot go on forever. Either it improves dramatically (by some miracle). Or it will get worse. Much worse.

Time is ticking…

Regards

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 30, 2007 03:32 PM


Joe
You are right abouth my English.
However, I don't want to call your attention on that but on the way which everybody adopts now when faced with a growing problem.
Financially we could be submerged by an unbearable public debt but humanly we still need to breath, eat and drink.
When Economy will be choked to death by itself, we will perhaps drop all those conventions and grow under a different order of things which now is still blurried but in a few years will get shaped in everybody's mind.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | April 29, 2007 09:19 PM


To Mr DAVE MATTHES with (stra) love (in the sense of "AFFETTO"...don't worry my NAME is not SNERT...eh, eh, eh...)

Hi Joe, how´s it going!? :)

Public debt is indeed Italy´s most dangerous problem in the short run.

They were debating how to use the "tesoretto" (funny name). Reducing debt should have been the obvious choice because with rising interest rates, debt is due to become ever more expensive. And soon unsustainable.

The squandering of the "tesoretto" would have very limited impact on both families´ welfare and on the economy as a whole. Instead, the rising cost of debt financing is going to be a major burden on everyone.

More, of course, should be done, both by selling assets (again to reduce debt) and reducing public costs. Room for improving efficiency is plenty.

See the Quirinale is a good example.

But I do not think much will happen. Like Mr. Chiametti was saying before.

By the way, Joe, don´t be soooo picky with grammar and all. :D

Now Giovanni might well send you some vitriolic reply... and the blog is back to mayhem! :D

Then Enrico Rossi will fire some more of his own--and more mayhem!!

A civilized discussion is more interesting for all--not least to you and me! :)

Ciao

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:43 PM

WELL, what can I say? PERFECT ANALYSIS as usual!!

It's a pleasure to share macroeconomic opinions in plain English with you here, as you showed to be in several occasions absolutely the only one (together to Mr CHIAMETTI...treble sigh!!) able to talk and analyse in-depth about this issues.

You are also right about the gloomy outlook Italy is doomed to face as consequence of the interest rates soar, even though in my humble opinion it would have been much worse if we hadn't join the EURO a few years ago (but most of ITALIAN people still didn't undestand that blaming the EURO currency for our current troubles).

However what scares me more is the absolute incapacity of the past and also current Government to reduce the stock of the Public debt by selling public assets and companies to the private market.

To make things worse there are other two key factors, you forgot to quote in your sensible above-mentioned post, that can explain your gloomy outlook about Italian Economy:

1) the key role played in the Italian Economy by our (red) TRADE UNIONS, which makes it pretty impossibile for any Government to put forward a set of serious reforms aimed at privatizing and liberilizing the current parasitical and inefficient Italian Public Sector;

2) the huge TAX EVASION, which makes it almost impossible to redistribute the debt from taxpayers to bondholders, a fallacy that can badly affect monetary policy and capital movements forcing Italian Authorities to raise interets public debt rates once again as consequence of the so called "flight of capital", not to mention that a continued inaction of the Italian Government may also lead to greater vulnerability to market perceptions.

But how can we reduce the PRIMARY DEFICIT if, unlike LIBERAL Anglo-Saxon economies, more than half of the current Italian GDP is made by the PUBLIC SECTOR and about 15% of Italian people still vote,like Ms RAFFAELLA BIFERALE, for marxist and statalist parties???

Many things may be done to reduce the current PUBLIC EXPENDITURE and as consequence of that the stock of PUBLIC DEBT if only there was a will for that: for instance a sensible political measure could be represented by the suppression of the Italian Provinces, an absolute useless Public Body good just at sucking public money to pay its slacker employees'salaries and nothing else, given that most of its duties are already carried out by the Italian REGIONS.

So why squandering public money by doing the same things twice, not to mention the fact that many Provinces (especially in North Italy) have recently bought huge stretch of MOTORWAYS at the Italian tax payers' expense, acting like sheer private companies ??


So all considering,as for as I'm concerned, I strongly believe that there is no way out to sort out this issue once and for all, apart from leaving this bloody country for good before it sinks of course.


Best regards.

Prooof J.s.M


P.S. As for as Mr Prince's grammar blunder is concerned it was just a remark to help him improve his English and nothing else as, I have to admit, he never tried to make a fool of me unlike Mr SNERT or HIGH PLAIN DRIFTER (alias MAX STIRNER).

As you have noticed I never attacked you, Mr CHIAMETTI or Mr DISARO' maybe because you showed to be the only ones able to bear a serious and constructive discussion here.

So how can you hope to establish a civilized discussion if most of people here don't know neither the English language nor the MACROECONOMY??

Anyway don't worry DAVE: as promised, I'll leave this c r a p p y and useless BLOG,leaving you alone arguing with SNERT &co(GOOD LUCK, buddy!!), after sending you my final post about the CHINA ECONOMY growth.

So be patient:it's just a matter of days...

Posted by: Mr MATTHES' friend | April 29, 2007 08:45 PM


Hi Joe, how´s it going!? :)

Public debt is indeed Italy´s most dangerous problem in the short run.

They were debating how to use the "tesoretto" (funny name). Reducing debt should have been the obvious choice because with rising interest rates, debt is due to become ever more expensive. And soon unsustainable.

The squandering of the "tesoretto" would have very limited impact on both families´ welfare and on the economy as a whole. Instead, the rising cost of debt financing is going to be a major burden on everyone.

More, of course, should be done, both by selling assets (again to reduce debt) and reducing public costs. Room for improving efficiency is plenty.

See the Quirinale is a good example.

But I do not think much will happen. Like Mr. Chiametti was saying before.

By the way, Joe, don´t be soooo picky with grammar and all. :D

Now Giovanni might well send you some vitriolic reply... and the blog is back to mayhem! :D

Then Enrico Rossi will fire some more of his own--and more mayhem!!

A civilized discussion is more interesting for all--not least to you and me! :)

Ciao

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:43 PM



There are some articles (Corriere della Sera among them) indicating that the Quirinale, the presidency of the Republic, costs FOUR TIMES as much as it costs to run Buckingham Palace and the Queen of England´s expenses.

We´ve gotten to a point where all these horrific wastes do not even surprise us anymore.

We are revolted, but not surprised. We are revolted but, really, what can we do??

In my opinion, not much. We are citizens in theory. But we are actually spectators. We watch... and we pay the bill.

It will get to a point where all the money has been squandered and no one will lend Italy one penny more.

That day will come and we can only watch it coming.

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:29 PM


Until we will stop to consider what's needed as an expense, nothing will be done.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | April 29, 2007 04:43 PM


Let´s see how it goes here... ;)

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 11:40 AM


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