To come is the important bit

image: Flesh Eating Beagle

There’s a new economic theory around. It’s about the rules of the race. It’s the economy compared to horse racing. The Confindustria and the main financial newspapers are convinced of that.
They are the new jockeys, of the equestrian circus. What’s this new theory all about? I’ll use a metaphor to explain.
Imagine that you see two thieves stealing, two rapists raping, two thugs shooting. What they are doing is happening right now. Now let’s change the field of vision. Let’s go to the world of economics.
I know you feel a bit disgusted, but imagine that you surprise some financiers who are drawing blood from a company, some State concessionaires who are not making investments, some companies who are not providing essential services.
In both cases, an observer, perhaps the government, would say in a loud voice: “If there are any rules that allow this disgusting stuff, then they must be changed. And not just during the race, but now!
In the former situation, the observer would be robbed, raped or shot. In the latter case, derided.
Treated like an ignoramus who doesn’t realize that in economics, you don’t change the rules of the race while the race is on. In fact for Tronchetti, Benetton and Montezemolo you can only change the rules when the race is over. When the dividends have been cashed in, the enterprises reduced to Chinese boxes, the stock options distributed.
If a law is in error, then you have to take action. I have never seen a law being changed while nothing is happening. It’s against the laws of nature. Even though I understand the friends in the Confindustria, a coitus interruptus, is never a pleasure for anyone. You don’t interrupt a fxxk.

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Hello there,
Kudos for this blog as well!
I thought for a while Mr. Grillo had some good ideas, and maybe could inculcate some common sense into Italians.
Wellllllll think again, more things change more they stay the same!
I give up, too much incompetence for my comprehension!
Some one must appreciate all this, or could care less, so let it be.
I will hide my Italian passport under some rock, and I definetelly like to visit Italy I wouldn’t want to live there for any reason in the world.
Thanks for the opportunity to express my opinion.

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | May 6, 2007 06:35 PM

The two above mentioned posts of mine are at least one year old. As I visited this blog for the first time I was very enthusiastic about it, I agreed mostly with Beppe's posts and I was happy to find a place full of interesting and intelligent people.
My opinion changed with time, and I began not to agree with Beppe's approach of problems: too demagogic and populistic in my opinion. I never felt me bound by contract in any situation, and my participation in the blog discussions was always a free choice. At present I confine myself to the english blog, and I don't want to mingle with the great mess on the italian one.
That's all.
PS)As far as's is concerned, I'm totally disinterested in it.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | May 1, 2007 07:20 PM

Joe,just to remind you,that like it or not,you are part of the "grillini group" like everybody else that write in this blog,ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | May 1, 2007 08:36 AM

Joe: I must disappoint you, I'm not belonging to the GRILLINI TRIBU'. As you can read on my website I'm a "cane sciolto", that means I belong only to myself (perhaps even to my boyfriend) and to nobody else. I hate groups and I'm always trying to keep my mind free from all kind of conditionings. Sometimes I agree with Grillo's statements, sometimes not, lately I don't agree at all with him.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | April 30, 2007 12:16 PM


If I look at the map of Canada, is it stalking?

You know, I would like to be sure...


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 07:05 PM

Joe, it´s funny:

Enrico Rossi says that´s not his real name. Then he complains about being stalked!

If Enrico Rossi is NOT his real name, when you looked up Enrico Rossi, you didn´t look HIM up, but someone else! That is the real Enrico Rossi!!

So, the guy here cannot in any way complain about being stalked--because you looked up SOMEONE ELSE´S NAME ON THE PHONE BOOK!!!!


You don´t even know his name or where he lives! How could you possibly stalk him!?!!! :D

Ah, and then again: using the phone book is not a crime!!!!



Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:52 PM

Hello Mr Chiametti,

I think this blog provides a clue... ;)

Here everyone is dissatisfied with Italy. So, we basically agree on the main issue and debate should, therefore, be easy.

Instead, it proves impossible.

In my opinion, this is the same problem in Italian society as a whole--the cause of the paralysis. Debate abounds, but nothing gets done.

Like here, people will quarrel and fight over what the other did or said... keep looking back, quarrel, fight and forget to look forward.

Italians will eventually react, I believe. But only when they will have nothing left to lose. That is, when it will be too late.


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:20 PM

Hello there,
Browsing through an Italian newspaper I found an article regarding a site created with the intent of Improving Cities Management and to involve Citizens as well
I think it is a credible Organization (Not for profit) and unbiased.
Take a look, and if you care about Italy instead of bickering with each other all the time be proactive and participate.

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | April 29, 2007 06:19 PM

Molesting is against the law.
Reading the phone book is not.

Enrico, you rightly complain about uncivil behavior. But look at the insults you´ve been posting. Try to find the last message with content that you´ve posted... According to what you invoke, you would be banned too.

We would all be banned, actually :D

If the point is having a civil forum, then let´s start now.

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 06:06 PM


Someone posted under the name Dolly and the writing was similar to yours. So I thought it was you.

Since I thought you´d used the nickname Dolly--I asked, as joke.

No offence was meant, really.

Then I guess it wasn´t you using the name Dolly :D

Sorry! ;)


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 05:58 PM

I think now you've done it.
You have crossed the line and now you are in the boundary of stalking.
This is punishable by the law.
You understand it?

Posted by: High Plains Drifter | April 29, 2007 04:46 PM

You total idiot. Enrico Rossi is the equivalent of John Smith: possibly the most common first and family name in the Italian language. I hope you are not trying to pester that poor individual who happens to have my Blog name.
I think the Administrator should definitely ban you from participating on this Blog considering your uncivil and disgraceful behaviour.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 29, 2007 04:39 PM

Hello there, world globetrotters, (Come out, come out!) wherever you are,
I have one lumbering question for you hide-seeker Italian emigrated elsewhere:
And the $64000 question is:
Why do Italians procrastinate on anything?
Always wait until they are in up to their eyeballs:
1) De-regulation?
2) Privatization?
3) Multiplication of Political Parties? (This is just nepotisms of Jurassic Park!)
4) State Television?
5) Media De-regulation?
6) Justice?
7) Water shortages? (Was the 2003 just a warning?, what has Italy done, nothing!)
8) Immigration? (Italians go abroad, while the desperate go to Italy?)
9) Energy?
This is the Title for The Nigerian Elections?
“The deep rottenness of Nigeria's political system threatens all the economic gains this giant country has made”
Although substitute “Italy for Nigeria” and the title fits like a glove!
If You write in this bog, either any of You are of Italian Origin, or are Italians that can fluently converse in the English Language, although the moral doesn’t change You have a steak in Italy, therefore stop bickering with each other and be just a little more pro-active.

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | April 29, 2007 04:10 PM

I am not familiar,with Dolly Parton,and even more Dolly the sheep,I can tell you I am not a sheep at all,as you can see I do not have any problem,tell anybody off if I need too,and by the way if I did choose another mame I would choose a name with more weight,so stop pointing the finger at me.ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | April 29, 2007 12:44 PM


If it is not you (and who cares if it is!?), why don´t you just laugh and move on.

Really, the more you get upset, the more you hold grudge, the more you refuse to engage in a discussion... the more you invite teasing.

Saying "Do you know the meaning of BOOH?" and insisting that it is some elaborate opinion of yours just makes you appear rather inarticulate.

Why don´t you just post an opinion or reply and debate someone else´s when you don´t agree--and move on?


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 11:35 AM

You stupid fool and resident SNERT and Moron, I don't even live in Toronto. I told you that you were stupid as well as skizofrenic and you proved it again. So much for your Sherlock Holmes abilities. The White pages, of all things, looking for a fictitious name in the wrong City. Jerk!

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 29, 2007 06:08 AM

Joe, actions speak louder than words,your action say a lot about the kind of character you have,you can be a better man than this.

Posted by: evakulnura | April 29, 2007 05:20 AM


Have you seen DAVE?

They cut my whithering and humiliating message addressed to Mr ROSSI SNERT a few minutes later High Plains Drifter's message, althogh it's late night in Italy now.

This is the proof that behind High Plains Drifter there's the same idiot that is used to sign himself as MAX STIRNER in the Italian version cutting awkards messages such as mine every time he feels the need to do so to limit damages...

C.V.D. = Come Volevasi, eh, eh, eh...

What do you make of it DAVE?

This is the democracy on which is based this blog:when somebody like me holds someone of the notorious GRILLINI TRIBU (like Mr STIRNER, Mrs BELLANDI or Mr ROSSI SNERT, or Ms BIFERALE) up to ridicule the message is immediately cut with no mercy, but when a member of the GRILLINI TRIBU does the same towards me or someone else not belonging to the Grillini TRIBU' well not only the message is not cut but if you try to answer them back it's very likely indeed to be banned with any chance to defend ourself against their attacks.

That's why I'm eager to report this foul play to all Italian TV and newspapers in order to make the public opion aware of how badly this BLOG is run.


Posted by: Mr Matthes' fan | April 29, 2007 02:12 AM


Hi Dave, as usual you hit the mark!!

I didn't break any rule related to the Privacy law as I just showed a public information, which everyone can see on the WEB, quoting the source...

And anyway it's not my fault if Mr ENRICO ROSSI SNERT is so foolish to sign himself with his real name and surname telling everybody where he lives, without asking to the company that holds the Canadian White pages phone directory to remove his name, personal address and phone home number from the web.

Remember: Prof M I L L is an infallible, relentless and lethal F.U.C.K.E.R, especially when laws and macroeconomic issues (and m o r o n s like Mr ROSSI SNERT as well)come into play:I can't help it...ah, ah, ah...

So it's better to be a friend of mine,as you are, to avoid cutting such a poor figures...ah, ah, ah, ah...

If somebody insults me,trying to make a fool of me, he/she can't get off scot-free without being f u c k e d back with no mercy...

Hope Mr Rossi SNERT learned my harsh LESSON.

Prof J o h n S T U A R T M I L L 6 - Mr Enrichetto Rossi SNERT 0 (victory for technical KNOCKOUT or "CAPPOTTO" in Italian...ah, ah, ah, ah...)


Good night & sleep well.

Yours ever.

P r o f Joe, SNERT's hunter

Posted by: Mr MATTHES' friend | April 29, 2007 01:19 AM

very good thank you nice topic thanks :)

Posted by: emlak | April 29, 2007 12:36 AM


The private info is name and location. The phone book is public information... anyone can look it up--even if Joe did not post it.

In a blog only the content of the message should matter. One, therefore, can do as you wisely do: use a nick.

In that, Enrico Rossi does just the opposite: no content at all, but name and location! :D

Anyway, now I know where NOT to hang out, should I have the misfortune of traveling to Canada ;)

So Enrico Rossi of Toronto can rest in peace!

Well, actually, since he lives next to the cemetery (got a good price on that apartment, huh! now we know why!)... I´ll say he doesn´t have to worry about us showing up for dinner!!

(Yeah, also because he´d probably poison us anyway... haha)

Arlight, talk to you later.

Doesn´t this blog show how sociable Italians are!? hahaha

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 29, 2007 12:27 AM

Joe,this is gone too far,what you did is very nasty,I am very disappointed of you!

Posted by: evakulnura | April 29, 2007 12:07 AM

Joe is very confused now.
I hope a lot of people will look at that link to see how he looks like.Instead of behaving like that he better write something worth of reading, instead of copying and pasting everybody else's comments like a copycat.Did you read what is written about him in that link?No wonder he is always so pissed off at everybody: if I would look like that I would shoot myself.How unfortunate.

Don't be worried, we understand now.
Be merry and behave like that until you can.

Posted by: High Plains Drifter | April 28, 2007 09:51 PM

Hey Joe, how was the run?

I just read an article on Bloomberg that talks about a likely immigration reform in the US. They are thinking of new measures to make it easier for foreigners to get temp work visas, for example.

So, if you are interested in moving there, there might be some positive changes in store.

Forget Canada... or you might end up like Errichetto before soon! :D (Scary enough, huh?! haha)

I would not even consider going to Canada. US is better! ;)

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 08:31 PM

If he´s rabid when he´s happy...

Posted by: Henrietta Bananetta Rossi | April 28, 2007 07:42 PM

" life is beautiful in Canada and I love every minute of it."

by Enrico Rossi

YES, IT SHOWS... hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rosalina Strumfolini Verdi | April 28, 2007 07:12 PM

Joe, do you have any idea of how old Enrico Rossi is?

He acts like a spoiled little kid. But I have a feeling he´s actually quite old. Yet, he acts sooooo childishly!!!

Gosh, this is between ridiculous and... creepy!!!

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 06:41 PM

High Plains Drifter, you really confused the schizophrenic Prof. Mill. He doesn't know who you are and is grasping at straws hoping to find out. One more proof of his dementia.
Prof. Mill, life is beautiful in Canada and I love every minute of it. Should you be that lucky, but you have chosen Poland as your future motherland and a career in a pierogi factory assembly line. One further proof....

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 06:40 PM


I think your point about turnover in politics and opportunities for younger people is good. Though, at the end, I would be more concern about their competence. Caruso is young, but...

On the voting issue (candidate vs. party)... really, I would recommend not working too much on that. I am skeptical it would really make any difference in Italy and... I am convinced Italy will just go down the drain, no matter what. I do not live there and therefore I do not care whichever way they vote.

Instead, I will be interested in reading your view on China. I read a lot about it and I have friends both there and from there. I know there are many not-so-wonderful aspects about it. But, overall, I think it has many strong points. Anyway, I´ll be keen to read your views.

I wanted to read Enrico Rossi´s views too. But he doesn´t seem to have any... He just likes to pretend he does ;)

Oh well. I think he´s really unhappy and frustrated. Canada must not be so good. I kind of feel compassion for him.



Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 06:36 PM

Enrico Rossi

How come you´re so rabid all the time?
You must not be very happy over there in Canada...


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 06:10 PM


If you want to know who Prof Mill is, look at this link:

Here you will find all about this fine specimen who calls everybody names.

John Mill: get a grip on life before it will swallow you.

Posted by: High Plains Drifter | April 28, 2007 05:41 PM

"In fact, why don´t you express you opinion about Berlusconi and the SME sentence?"
You want my comments on what you (AKA Prof. Mill) posted under the name Francesco Desi? I've already replied to you, but I guess you couldn't understand.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 04:42 PM

Enrico Rossi

I would not have a problem telling you that I am Prof. Mill.

Just, I am not Prof. Mill.

It is even odd that you believe so, since Prof. Mill and I have been exchanging very long messages here. You should at least suspect that someone pretending to have a conversation with someone else would at least keep the fake messages short! :)

In any case, even if you do not believe me, why don´t you just move on from there?

It´s a good start now: we´re arguing politely.

In fact, why don´t you express you opinion about Berlusconi and the SME sentence?

I would be interested in reading it.


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 03:22 PM

Dave Matthews, you are Prof. Mill. Six months ago you were already using this name, then disappeared with the Prof. only to reappear together a few weeks ago. The only one you can fool is yourself.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 03:09 PM


1. I am not Prof. Mill.

2. It´s weekend everywhere, not just in Italy.

3. It´s raining.

4. I am not in Italy.

Wanna try again?

Your reply again here does not contribute an ida or opinion of yours. It actually invites more teasing or provocation in return.

Why you don´t just post your opinion and argue differently if you disagree?

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 02:55 PM

Dave Matthews AKA Prof. Mill, it's a long weekend in Italy. Go out in the sun and get a life!

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 02:17 PM


Instead of whining, you could just post a smart message of your own.

If you post non-answers (like the one below... do you know...), then you should not be surprised about people replying to you in kind.

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 01:23 PM

Joe, I had posted a reply to your msg--did you see it? It´s still there, though buried under the other messages.

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 01:16 PM

Dolly, don't write "Joe and Enrico": the internet diahrretic professor Mill is having a monologue using my name to answer his idiotic comments.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 01:16 PM



Are you inspired by Dolly Parton--or by Dolly the sheep?


Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 01:13 PM


TIME OUT YOU TWO! TIME OUT!it is a draw,you are even,time to stop.

Posted by: dolly | April 28, 2007 09:27 AM

Prof. Mill,

Don´t even try with me! I have an infinite list of names I can call you... all the names that I am being called here in Canada.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 09:13 AM

Prof. Mill, you will never be a rocket scientist like me.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 07:54 AM


Come to mommy... it´s time to change your head-diaper!

Posted by: Bernarda Sederini Rossi | April 28, 2007 07:42 AM

BULL EYE!one for Enrico!

Posted by: dolly | April 28, 2007 03:56 AM

Sorry, my internet diahrretic professor Mill. I explained to you very clearly at the time of your christening the meaning of SNERT as it applies to you, but your clouded brain has now totally forgotten: "SNERT = Snot-Nosed Egotistical Rude Teenager or Sexually Needy, Emotionally Repressed Troll". You are six months late in your attempt to be clever; no wonder you have become unemployable anywhere on Earth! Who would want to hire a specimen like you, a graduate of Economics that spends most of his/her time writing scurrilous and nonsensical comments on the Web?

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 03:51 AM

Hey pipsqueak Prof.Mill, did you forget that I christened you the resident SNERT? You didn't even know the word. Happy hunting for the job you deserve in Poland. Lots of Polish jokes there that you will not understand.....
Je dobre.

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 28, 2007 01:32 AM

Mr Rossi, it looks like you´re making friends tonight. As usual, of course.

Posted by: Dave Matthews | April 28, 2007 01:11 AM

Enrico Rossi

Do you know what "Enrico Rossi" means in Italian?

Posted by: Enrico Verdi | April 28, 2007 12:17 AM

Enrico Rossi

Do you know what "kakoi ty durak" means in Russian?

Posted by: Vladimir Ilich | April 28, 2007 12:16 AM

Enrico Rossi:

Do you know what "hsei nascimm iah" means?
And in what language?

Posted by: Henrietta Reds | April 28, 2007 12:14 AM

What are you doing in Poland? Looking for a job making pierogi and makowiec?

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 27, 2007 10:59 PM

Francesco, do you know the English expression "too clever by half?".

Posted by: Enrico Rossi | April 27, 2007 09:30 PM

Berlusconi has been found NOT GUILTY by the court examining the SME case.

Those who were happy because Berlusconi was facing trial have a dilemma:

Should they be happy because Berlusconi is not guilty? (this must be unconfortable)

Should they be unhappy, because it would have been better if Berlusconi were indeed guilty. (this is perverse: being unhappy because someone is honest!)

Or... should they be unhappy because "he really is guilty, but got away with it!"? (this is incoherent: the court is fair and honest when puts Berlusconi on trial, but the same court is unreliable when it finds that Berlusconi is innocent...)

I´ll be interested in reading the grillini´s views on this issue.

Posted by: Francesco Desi | April 27, 2007 06:48 PM

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