Avignon cannot wait

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The Papal Palace at Avignon

Political freedom is more important than the economy. Therefore I propose that Prodi should let France take Eni and Enel. In exchange Sarkozy should take back the Pope to Avignon.
In that happy nation they already have the law on civil partnerships and without the Papacy in their hair they managed to have a Revolution. There are no civil rights to be discussed. Between the “Family day” and the “Courage of the laity” a third way is needed. The lay State.
The Vatican has good reason to be afraid of civil partnerships. If the gay priests were regularized, where would we end up? If they were to marry nuns and have children? And if they left all their belongings to them and not to the Vatican Bank? The bankruptcy of St Peter’s.
If the family is so important, so noble, why do priests not marry? And if they are so competent on the topic, how will they have had the experience?
The Pope has gone to Brasil and in oceans of people he has created the first saint of the area. But in the last 20 years in Brasil, the protestants have gone from one in ten to three in ten. Perhaps because the protestant churches have more commitment to social affairs and less in politics?
What’s worse is our employees searching for the Catholic vote. Once upon a time there was just the Christian Democrats, today there’s Forza Italia Vaticana, the Holy Lega, and the Opus Dei. Democratic Party.
With all the problems of this country, these divorced, gays with the backside of the others whitened buried ones have obliged us to have months of discussions on civil partnerships. About rights that are already in existence in the whole of Europe and that in Italy should be approved in a week.
Give to God what belongs to God and to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. And then what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God, give them both together to the Vatican.

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I suggest the reading of a contemporary book that could be a real eye opener for many, especially for those Italians who are accustomed to have the Vatican at home and are willing to put up with anything that comes out from there. The book title is "god id not great" (how religion poisons everything); author is Christopher Hitchens.
I have to warn you that there is only the English version available on the market at the moment. Hopefully there will be a translation into Italian soon. But I doubt it. Probably the Vatican will have a say on that as well and will censure it, even worse will stop the publication!
Take care.

Posted by: Stefania Noble | May 24, 2007 08:55 PM


Hello there,
Barking at the government to regulate anyone’s life is like asking to Venice not to sink while piling tourist and garbage into San Marco square.
Government of either side is well aware that it can legislate as many Laws as it wants, although each individual, in a relationship or not will behave accordingly to his/her own beliefs and values.
Barking at the Government for rights and social recognition is only valid in a court of Law not in society.
Therefore stop pretending from the Government what society is not willing to give you!
The church has as much power as you give to them with your consciousness!
These Idiotic Politicians will look for approval and supports (Votes!) anywhere and when they don’t get it they will bark at the church and claim Separation between Church and State only when their claim is rebuffed.
You decide your way of life, not by Law Decree or whatever, evolution decides, look around you!
Thanks

Posted by: Giacomo Chiametti | May 17, 2007 07:08 PM


Joe: my posts will be never cut because they are not:
1) Copy & paste of old messages
2) Spamming
3) Insulting
I only wrote my opinion and answered to you,in a very calm and kind way.
Why don't you try to be so kind too?
It's worth the effort.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | May 14, 2007 08:13 PM


How can one possibly be disappointed by this government????

What in the world did you people expect!?!????

Posted by: Gianluca R. | May 14, 2007 03:50 PM


Joe: My message on the italian room is neither offensive nor obscene. I wrote only my point of view.
Why I didn'd spend any words wrinting about muslim states? Because I don't live there. I don't vote in Iraq or Iran but here. I have here in Italy the possibility to spend my vote and my voice to change MY country.
Unfortunately, it didn't happen, the coalition I voted is trying to wink at the church, in order to pick up the approval of catholic people, breaking the engagement with their own voters like me.
I'm not happy about it.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | May 14, 2007 10:58 AM


Non sono d'accordo con le tesi del blog. La chiesa ha il diritto, anzi ha il dovere di interferire nella politica se essa considera che i diritti dell'uomo vengono violati. Non dimentichiamo, che la chiesa è stata fortemente criticata per il cosidetto tacere di Pio XII. di fronte alla shoa.

Un'altra cosa: Il successo delle sette evangelicale in Brasile non è dovuta al fatto che i protestanti si occupano più di questioni sociali e meno di quelle politici. La chiesa perde sopratutto nelle classe medie che sonsiderano le sette anche uno strumento di ascesa sociale.

Posted by: Dr. Ralf Magagnoli | May 14, 2007 08:30 AM


Suggest reading "the atheist manifesto" by Michel Onfray.ciao

Posted by: evakulnura | May 14, 2007 03:00 AM


Beppe, at last I agree totally with your post!
The worst of the worst is this race for chatolic vote.
Disgusting.
I'm afraid Italy will never be a normal country, but it will remain a "baciapile" country for ever and ever.

Posted by: Raffaella Biferale | May 13, 2007 08:09 PM


http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=3237027119714361315&hl=it

io vi consiglierei di guardare questo video sul documentario della BBC trasmesso in Inghilterra nel 2006 sugli scandali dei Preti & Pedofilia. si richiama il "Crimen Sollicitationis

Posted by: Donato Pasqualicchio | May 13, 2007 05:59 PM


First, I didn't realize that what is hip in the land of wine, cheese and obnoxiousness is the mandate for the universe. The cold hard facts are marriage is not a natural right, it is a government (or societal right) created right. If that is the case, society should have the discretion to determine who will have the opportunity to exploit the right. This must not be confused with the right of association, which is natural and inherent. But does everyone have the right to government sanction of their association? No. So long as there exists a rational basis to refuse sanction, why should society be forced to act irrational to appease a small minority?

Instead of expanding government's sanction to everyone, government should get out of sanctioning marriages and limit any benefits bestowed to married people to inheritance rights, evidentiary privileges (in common law nations), and (when necessary) the equitable division of property upon dissolution of a marriage. That is all government has a role in doing, as to who can be married and where they can marry, that should depend on the cannon law of the person's religion and/or the law of contracts.

Posted by: Ronald Ramo | May 13, 2007 04:54 PM


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