Say No to the bloodstained Olympics

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Italy must not participate at the Peking Olympics. The Olympic Games are tainted by the blood of the Tibetans. At Lhasa, at least a hundred people have died, some of them burned alive. They were protesting on the anniversary date of the bloody Chinese repression of 1959.
Buddhism is not a conquering religion, and it has not brought about centuries-long conflicts like the monotheistic religions have. A Buddhist may be killed, but he does not kill. The Chinese Government has threatened further bloodshed unless the Tibetans stop the protests by next Monday. The Chinese Government threatens them in their own country, an occupied country. It threatens a population, a large part of which has been forced into exile. Whose monasteries have been destroyed. Whose identity it is seeking to destroy by means of savage immigration.
The Tibetans are one of the most peace-loving peoples on the face of the Earth. For decades now the slitty-eyes have been inflicting a mini-holocaust on these people, but the West has continued to look the other way. “Pecunia WTO non olet”. Neither Valium nor the psychodwarf saw fit to receive the Dalai Lama when he visited Italy last autumn. He was treated like a pariah, in other words, business first, then human rights. These are our great strategists: Italy’s shame in the eyes of the international community.
The Italian athletes must boycott the Olympics. They must speak out against dictatorship, as this will certainly be the greatest achievement of their entire lives. Their children and grandchildren will be proud of them. Many Italians will look up to them. I am willing to host them in my home during the Olympics and, as reimbursement, I will pay them to be my personal trainers.
The Peking Olympics cannot be allowed to take place on the back of the massacres at Lhasa. For every Olympic final event and for every prize giving, there will be the memory of a Tibetan killed and a Nation raped under the rest of the world’s indifferent stare. I met with the Dalai Lama in Milan. The man I met with was a good man, open and friendly, but at the same time absolutely determined to give his people back their freedom. I salute him from this blog.
Say No to the bloodstained Olympics.

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Why was Beijing granted the privilege/burden of hosting the Olympics in the first place?

What we know about China and Tibet is not new!

The boycott is not a completely implausible idea - and who would condone what's happening in Tibet? (Not me!) BUT, isn't it possible - just possible - that it's a little late for this?

Posted by: Diana Raabe | July 27, 2008 04:16 AM


One can boycott the Olimpics games by simply not watching them...
It is easy to scream FREE TIBET and SAVE TIBET from the safe environment of an open manifestation on the street...and show the everybody how good we are fighting jnjustice out in the open without fears...
but when one is alone in his/her room...? eh?...much more difficult isn't it?...
How many have the courage to boycott the Olimpics by not watching them and advertise and spread this type of silent, powerful protest and be convinced that even this way is possible? ...one one one million ten million people not watching the Olimpics...even this is possible...
I am not watching it!
santo


Le Olimpiadi si possono boicottare anche visivamente...
basta non guardarle.... se se ne ha il coraggio...perche' e' facile scandire in piazza Save Tibet e Free Tibet" dando da vedere agli altri quanto si e' bravi e buoni, ma quando si e' con se stessi?...eh?...allora e' piu' difficile. Quanti hanno il coraggio di non guardare/boicottare le Olimpiadi e dirlo ad alta voce che anche questo e' possibile?...Almeno ci si puo' provare
santo

Posted by: santo | April 11, 2008 05:17 AM


Non voglio fare della demagogia o dello stupido populismo....

Leggendo l'articolo mi sono fatto due domande:

1)Il settore che produce piu' ricchezza (e di conseguenza compensi piu' elevati) e' quello finanziario/bancario e delle telecomunicazioni..... Perche' i managers di questi 2 settori ricevono compensi sproporzionati e comunque piu' elevati dei managers dei settori industriali (dove il reddito viene di fatto prodotto)?
2)Da tutte le parti viene chiesto uno sforzo per creare un mercato ed un'economia piu' snella, flessibile..... SOBRIA.... Come mai allora esistono delle sacche o caste di previlegiati parassiti? Chi li autorizza e giustifica?

Piero

Roma, 30 marzo 2008

Gianni Dragoni per il Sole 24 Ore:

"Un anno formidabile il 2007 per gli stipendi dei top manager delle società di Piazza Affari. Le fusioni bancarie e l'ultimo ribaltone con buonuscita in Telecom Italia hanno fatto esplodere i compensi.
La new entry dell'ultim'ora è la coppia composta da Riccardo Ruggiero e Carlo Buora. I due ex Telecom, con oltre 17 milioni di euro lordi il primo e quasi 12 milioni il secondo, vanno ad inserirsi al terzo e quarto posto, dietro l'ex tandem di Capitalia.

Con 37,4 milioni lordi Matteo Arpe (nella foto) rimane in testa alla classifica, non definitiva perché mancano i dati di alcuni gruppi importanti. Nei supercompensi del giovane ex a.d. di Capitalia, uscito dalla banca il 31 maggio 2007 in seguito alla rottura con Cesare Geronzi, ci sono 31,2 milioni di «indennità per risoluzione rapporto di lavoro».

L'ex presidente Geronzi, divenuto dopo la fusione con UniCredit presidente del consiglio di sorveglianza di Mediobanca, ha ricevuto 23,65 milioni lordi da via Minghetti (di cui 20 milioni «emolumento straordinario che costituisce anche premio alla carriera ») e 375mila euro da Mediobanca nell'esercizio al 30 giugno 2007, di cui era vicepresidente.

Ruggiero è terzo con 17,28 milioni, con la ciliegina di 50mila euro dal cda di Safilo. La spinta alla busta paga è venuta dai 9,9 milioni di incentivi all'esodo percepiti dal gruppo telefonico, dal quale è uscito facendo una «transazione generale novativa », dice il bilancio.
Buora, ex braccio destro di Marco Tronchetti Provera, ha ricevuto 7,9 milioni lordi da Telecom, comprendenti «il compenso straordinario riconosciuto per il contributo professionale e gestionale apportato al gruppo a decorrere dal primo ottobre 2001».

Non ha percepito il compenso variabile di 1,4 milioni legato agli obiettivi 2007 deliberato dal cda il 24 luglio scorso, ma riceverà quattro milioni tra quest'anno e il prossimo per un «patto di non concorrenza» stipulato con Telecom.
L'ex presidente della società telefonica Pasquale Pistorio ha ricevuto 1,25 milioni lordi in sette mesi. Al predecessore Guido Rossi, uscito il 6 aprile, 618mila euro.

I primi cinque nella classifica 2007 hanno ricevuto 102 milioni di euro, contro i 58 milioni dei primi cinque del 2006, quando il drappello era guidato da Buora, con 18,44 milioni tra buonuscita Pirelli e stipendio Telecom.
Il manager con lo stipendio più alto senza le buonuscite è Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, presidente della Fiat e della Ferrari, con 7,097 milioni lordi incluso il gettone in Tod's, davanti al suo a.d. Sergio Marchionne (6,9 milioni). Sono circa 50 i manager con oltre due milioni di stipendio, almeno 150 con più di un milione.

In ascesa tra i primi 30 Pier Francesco Guarguaglini di Finmeccanica (per ora quattordicesimo con 4,23 milioni) e l'a.d. di Atlantia Giovanni Castellucci, 21mo con 3,44 milioni. Guarguaglini è il primo tra i manager pubblici, davanti a Fulvio Conti dell'Enel (3,1 milioni)e Paolo Scaroni dell'Eni (2,89 milioni compreso il gettone di 106mila euro dal cda Generali). "

Posted by: Piero Fiorito | March 31, 2008 05:38 AM


Marion Parks,

thank you to post that site about Tibet with exploding riots, i saw it later live on CNN and later in a site with a Title " this what China doesn't want you to see". It's difficult to carpet see all the network video but with collaboration
the truth can come alive close to real time posts.
Look at this video I found later look like something sparked this peaceful protest someone it's looking into it as accusations from internal source in www.tibet.net are talking about military in in monk's robe are trying to infiltrate monks,
and to show to the street scene a normality has been achieved. Look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA2U8cIjNws&eurl=http://tibetanuprising.org/

Someone is investigating what the monks sitting peacefully saw that exploded later.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 23, 2008 12:09 AM


for Sidney 2000 the aboriginal australian situation was different because Cathy Freeman was chosen to light the olympic cauldron........NO BEIJING 2008
BOYCOTT IT

Posted by: jac sati | March 21, 2008 04:51 PM


the slitty-eyes" = occhi a mandorla
in Italy isn't racist
it's only a comment like as hebrew=miser

Posted by: jac sati | March 21, 2008 04:24 PM


Cari amici dei Tibetani ho appana ricevuto ilseguente articolo

Bejin orchestrating Tibet riots.
Pechino sta orchestrando gli scontri gli 007 inglesi
hanno le prove dai satelliti ! Leggete e traducete
questo articolo. Tibet ai Tibetani ! Mandate in giro!

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2306

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 21, 2008 01:03 AM


Wow, there is a great video on youtube of the protests now. It's really brutal and pretty much puts to rest any question about what happened and the Chinese reaction. Incredible stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNOCTwm8D7c

Posted by: Marion Parks | March 20, 2008 03:06 AM


My dearest Paul Brown,,,,
Bovine Scatology baffles brain. It seems to me that you have a tendency to waffle quite a bit without much meaning. It also seems to me that you have a tendency to a rather antagonistic disposition.
Living in your abode may be like living in a snake's pit, I suppose!!
I only have to admit that your English is better than the impression you offered at first.
For the rest, have a good life

Posted by: Maurizio Odello | March 19, 2008 01:00 PM


The more this situation in Tibet evolve and the more I am convinced that we should absolutely NOT partecipate to the Olympic Games as a country.

I mean it's totally unbelivable that a nation can do what China is doing to the Tibetans since now 60 years, which is in contrast with every at least declared intent of the UN but in fact every country seems to have a big business with them. What would happen if let's say in Iran they where doing the same and they where to invade another country and take them under their talon for 60 years with repressions and killing??, I bet not more than one week later they would be BOMBED.

That's disgusting because it show what really is the agenda of these people which today are shaping this world. Everything they say it's showing to be a miserable lie, two weights and two measures, because none of them really do anything to stop it, not even now that they have the possibility to do something without using any violence but just threatening China to boycott the games if they keep killing them.

Posted by: roberto d'angelo | March 19, 2008 12:26 AM


You erased by mistake the article with this site

http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/

This is the proof that someone is killing Tibetans with guns also. Will make more sense after the vision why Tibetans are so angry with Chinese. This is the cherry on the cake they had to eat for more then fifty years!

Well someone can't take it anymore, if someone want to blame them, seams the HH Dalai Lama is the first,threatening to resign if Tibetans don't stop any violent act against Chinese.


Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 18, 2008 05:38 PM


You erased by mistake the article with this site

http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/

This is the proof that someone is killing Tibetans with guns also. Will make more sense after the vision why Tibetans are so angry with Chinese. This is the cherry on the cake they had to eat for more then fifty years!

Well someone can't take it anymore, if someone want to blame them, seams the HH Dalai Lama is the first,threatening to resign if Tibetans don't stop any violent act against Chinese.


Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 18, 2008 05:37 PM


You erased by mistake the article with this site

http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/

This is the proof that Military Chinese are killing

Tibetans. Will make more sense after the vision why

Tibetans are so angry with Chimese. This is the

cherry on the cake the had to eat for more then fifty years!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 18, 2008 05:26 PM


The Hindu

China denies using lethal force in Tibet

Dalai Lama backers behind the violence, says Beijing

China’s internal matter: Russia

Beijing: China on Monday said it had shown “maximum restraint”, and had not used lethal force to quell the fiercest pro-independence protests in two decades in the Tibetan capital Lhasa last week, which claimed at least 13 lives.

Beijing, at the same time, vowed to deal “harshly” with protesters who committed “serious crimes”, as the Monday midnight deadline for rioters to surrender neared, amidst increasing international calls to Beijing, the host of the Olympic Games in August, to exercise restraint.

“We showed maximum restraint. We did not use lethal weapons. No guns were used. We only used teargas and water cannon,” Tibet Autonomous Regional Government Chairman, Governor Qiangba Puncog told a news conference, as he singled out the “Dalai clique” — groups associated with the Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama — for the violence.

“We did so in order to maintain social stability, to defend the nation’s legal system and to safeguard the people’s fundamental interests.”

“The ways the mob acted were extremely atrocious and brutal,” he said, citing such reported incidents as dowsing people with gasoline and setting them on fire and cutting off a piece of flesh from a policeman’s body. Sixty-one police personnel were injured, six seriously. Three persons are said to have jumped off buildings as they sought to avoid arrest.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 17, 2008 09:33 PM


Really sorry for what is happening in Tibet, as well as Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Darfur and so many other places in the world.
However, boycotting the Olympics is not a solution.
Firstly it is unfair to ask our athletes to act on our behalf and against their beliefs. Athletes compete in sports and that is exactly what they have to do. They have to compete and do their best to win.
Secondly, if we look into the history of every nation on this planet, we will find reasons good enough to boycott all international sport events. For the role of the Australian government in the extermination of the Aboriginal people of Australia we should have boycotted Sydney Olympics. And how about London Olympics in 2012? And world cup in Germany? And the list goes on.
What we have to do is to ask our athletes to participate, to do their best and to win medals. Medals for themselves, medals for Italians and medals for those who have died with honour fighting for their freedom.
Boycotting the Olympics is like ignoring what is happening now in Tibet.
In the 1968 Olympics Tommie Smith went to the Olympics. He then won the gold medal in the 200 metres.
He collected the medal and on the podium he did the Black Power Salute. That day he and John Carlos made history. Those few moments were hundreds times more powerful than a boycott!
And may those who are blessed with strong legs be also blessed with a big heart!

Posted by: andrea ceccanti | March 17, 2008 08:41 PM



This the answer to All Citizens of the World and to
the Chinese that guns have been used and on the way to be used in the massacre.

http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/

Vision is tough...keep out children !!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 17, 2008 08:38 PM


Hey folks, why don't you stop this bickering and

move on to something more interesting like the

subject posted by Beppe? Gosh you are like two old

zitelle( old not married females), your picking is

in front an international arena, can you focus

with more solid sense for all? The arena is

unmotivated to replay to your posts...!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 17, 2008 07:27 PM


To Maurizio Odello.

Your message is fraught with several bugs.
1) I am not yours.
2) I am not dear to you.
3) Between "name" and "your", you should insert a comma.
4) "piss poor" does not seem to stem from the Oxford dictionary.
5) "definately" should be replaced by "definitively".
6) "at your local bar" is better than "in your local bar".
7) "Especially since" could be profitably replaced by "Especially as".
8) Between "By the way" and "Aaron", a comma could be inserted.
9) About the "Aaron" issue, I beg your pardon for using an excessively high ironical subtlety for you to understand it.

I repeat: both Chinese and Tibetans have "occhi a mandorla", so the expression used by Beppe Grillo is "tagless". In my view.

Posted by: Paul Brown | March 17, 2008 07:01 PM


To L P.

I totally agree with your viewpoint. Contexts connotate both verbal and corporal expressions. beppegrillo.it is an Italian website. However, by being translated into English, it actually addresses its content to the rest of the world. Therefore, some questionable "Italian-syle" expressions ought to be appropriately translated, sometimes by smoothening their sides or by adopting appropriate idiomatic equivalent expressions. This said, Beppe Grillo's contested terms are, in my view, no more than a venial sin.

Posted by: Paul Brown | March 17, 2008 06:37 PM


My Dear Paul Brown. Although you have a very English name your English is rather piss poor. I may add that concluding your argument with a vaffanculo proves that you have definately been in Italy too long and that you have mastered the abusive Italian practice towards a good civilised argument. I recommend you keep your arguments with your fellow pea-brainers in your local bar instead of an international forum. Especially since you are clueless. By the way Aaron (with 2 a's) is a biblical name and if you were proficient in the English language, which you are not, you would have come across it often enough.
And by the way this is not ex New York but out of Africa.

Posted by: Maurizio Odello | March 17, 2008 03:49 PM


The brutality of the Chinese drowning the Tibet protest in blood is for all the world to watch. Whatever, moral, political,or ideological credibility the Chinese thought they had before Tibetans surged against them has been shattered. Gone is China's human face the world was beginning to see. The victims of the Tibetan repression have unmasked China. The Chinese have splattered blood on their Olympic showcase. Too bad it had to take the Olympics for the international media's spotlight to shine on the plight of Tibet.

But what about commercialization of the Olympics? It has reached near-obscene proportions. I don't know about this year's Olympics (my impression is that not much has changed) but in the past American corporations rented the Olympic torch for $3,000 a mile; Athletes,in search for the extra edge, are in a never ending quest to find undetectable performance-enhancing-drugs. The Olympics seem to be more about logos than a sport festival. Merely thinking about Marion Jones, forced by guilt to voluntarily strip herself of the four gold medals she had "won", makes one realize the depth reached by commercialization. If somebody in 1893,would have told Pierre de Coubertin, that Olympic athletes had to return their medals because of cheating he would never have believed it. If somebody had told him that athletes would eventually cheat for money and that his brotherhood and fair competition ideals would be considered outdated he would have been offended.

Dear Beppe, even though you're not racist (to say the least) that "slitty-eye" description is racist. We (italians) have a bad habit of using physical traits to judge and stereotype the "other". I used to hear (not lately) Italian soccer commentators describe a black player as "negretto" in spite his name was written on the back of his jersey. The use of the diminutive is degrading and condenscending and racist. Italians in general don't see much of a problem of calling each other names. But calling names in many, many countries is highly offensive especially regarding race. Once I found myself in an embarassing situation when in a Chinese restaurant the eleven-yar-old daughter of a visiting Italian couple started to pull at the end of her eyes mimicking the Chinese waiters. I had to tell her to stop it only to be repriminded by her parents who saw her gesture as being completely innocent. And probably in Italy it may have been. But they weren't in Italy.

Posted by: L P | March 17, 2008 03:47 PM


Aaron is an English name. Why are people talking about how to spell people's names here?

Posted by: Mirka Belen | March 17, 2008 02:11 PM


To Aaron.

4. Incidentally, you may notice that both Chinese and Tibetan have "occhi a mandorla". So your argument is flawed!

By the way: in "Aaron" what's the second "a" for?

Posted by: Paul Brown | March 17, 2008 01:56 PM


To Aron.

1. Perhaps you are right about my poor English. However, the sense of my post was simple. Let me be as precise as possible. In the Italian language, as it is spoken in Italy (and not, e.g., in a NY based classroom), the expression "occhi a mandorla" does NOT have a negative connotation. That's it! Any parallel to the use of English expressions against black people (which, incidentally, you brought to your own country, whereas Italians never asked to any Chinese to come to Italy, clear?) has no relavance at all.

2. I completely agree with Mr. Kaufmann, who is clearly a wise person.

3. Dear Aron, if you are not convinced yet by the two arguments above stated, then this one may be decisive: vaffa'nculo!

Posted by: Paul Brown | March 17, 2008 01:51 PM


Someone correct that crappy translation; Beppe - it does not reflect well on you. Do something PLEASE!!

Posted by: Tim | March 17, 2008 01:37 PM


The phrase incriminated was really bad translated. I don't know if I could do better myself but a translation more to the word would read something like "...since decades a little holocaust is going on against them, an almond-eyed one..." This is like to say "for years an holocaust was ongoing against jews, an arian pale skinned one" or something of that sort. The choice of words could still be seen as questionable, but it is clear to me that there was no true intention to call all chinese "almond eyes" in the same sniping sense a Lega Nord supporter would call Terrone an inhabitant of the south. I'd rather think that if pun was intended, it was directed to the political establishment who decided this repression.
Kindest regards

Posted by: luigi pacetti | March 17, 2008 09:57 AM


I believe with this message Beppe just wanted briefly to state his standpoint about the Olympics and Tibetans' situation, without implying any 'racial' or 'racist' statement, and without going deper in the historical or political analysis. Unlike our politicians, which remain vague about their views, this is however brave and honest from him. Then we can either agree or not on his views.
From my point of view, repression of any dissent in China has always existed and if we really wanted to protest against it we should have never allowed the Olympics there in the first place. The boycot of the Olimpics now is useless and in contraddiction with our own (western countries) choise of Beijing as the site of Olympics. We should have been more careful when we made the choise, it is ridicolous, now, to politically threaten that country through a sport event that we first agreed to allow there. Or, to pose further 'political' conditions such as the respect of human rights, as a requirement for holding the Olympics after having made the choise, we should have expected that the Chinese gov. may not have been able to meet such requirements. And it is not fair to make the choise and pose conditions on that only in the case of China, when it was never done in the past. You cannot change a dictature through an international sport event, especially when you continue to accept many other misbehaviour, which is, to accept the economic advantages of the Chinese market and refuse the political structure that allows them. When the Olympics were given to Beijing, we were well aware of the political situation of the country, as we are when we sign economic agreements or we built our factories there.
It is obvious that at the eve of the Olympics China cannot allow instability and protests in its territory, this would threaten the same Olympics and of course the image the country wants to give of itself at this event.
It was also obvious that the dissenting voices in China would have taken advantage of this international event to show up their situation, to negotiate peace and rights with the government in exchange of social stability during the Olympics. It is not only Tibet, there are also the Muslims of Xinjiang and many other oppressed people. Unfortunately, it is also not only a problem of Chinese repressive politics (which are well known), but also a problem due to the forced rapid modernisation of the country, whose negative effects are particularly felt in the under-developed areas, where people are not ready to take part in the modernisation, and can only suffer its devastating effects when it is imposed on them, while the advantages go only to a restricted portion of people.
If we want to put in practice our dissent for what is happening we should take other drastic measures against that country, but as everybody knows, that is hard to accomplish as they will have a boomerang effect and will heavily affect us and our economies altogether.
By boycotting the Olympics we would only confirm what the Chinese government often thinks of western powers, a bounch of opportunist and arrogant powers that operate just for their own benefit.
I have always defended the rights of oppressed people, but my long experience with China says to me that in this situation is not the well-known oppressive regime of China that is revealing itself, but it is the opportunism and arrogance of our governments and system (practiced for centuries) that is coming to light. We should first wonder if this can still be acceptable to us.

Posted by: J. | March 17, 2008 08:48 AM


Every single human being on earth deserves to get esteem!

Posted by: Cecilia | March 17, 2008 05:42 AM


I do not believe that any racist slight was intended, and fully believe that almond eyes has no negative connotations in Italian. That said, the shape of one's eyes or colour of one's hair is irrelevant when it comes to basic values like freedom and justice.

Whether or not the Tibetans practice(d) a cruel feudal system, whether or not the CIA provides funding to the Tibetans, whether or not Mr. Aaron March knows anything about either one or the other of his allegations, whether or not the West is morally "impeccable", whether or not we should listen to "progressives" (Marxists?) like Aaron March or Michael Parenti, is all irrelevant.

The Tibetans have a right to self-expression and freedom from the rule imposed by China. Tibet was never historically a part of China, except under the Manchus, in other words during the high period of international imperialism. How much outsiders can do to help the Tibetans is questionable. However, we are free to express our support, just as we are free to criticize our own governments. Beppe Grillo does both and I respect his energy and passion.

Posted by: Steve Kaufmann | March 17, 2008 05:38 AM



I guess it's the human nature the eyes look forward
not backwards. Can you see that all your writings are just a criticizing pointing the finger judging one to another?
Did we ever give a look at who we are, what we can do to collaborate ? Do you have an idea how to help each other and Tibetans in this terrible moment?

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 17, 2008 02:55 AM


Bunch of people. Do you know who is the "angel" Dalai Lama? He is an american agent enormously well paid. . . No bullshit. It is true. Check it out!

Posted by: Delfi Marigo Spitaleri | March 17, 2008 01:55 AM


Beppe, I realize that this is a matter of principle. But, boycotting the Olympics is a largely symbolic gesture that will only bring China's animosity on Italy. I recall when President Jimmy Carter announced the US would boycott the Moscow Olympics in 1980, I believe, in protest of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. What did it accomplish?

Much better than an Olympic Boycott, I think, would be for Italy to get its financial house in order and restrict importation and purchases of Chinese products.

An Olympic Boycott wouldn't hurt the Chinese government, but would only hurt Italian athletes. On the other hand, if Italian companies and consumers showed resolve to compete in the global market, stop buying so many cheap and atrociously-made Chinese products (including medicines and food additives which contain poison), and stabilize its financial ship, then this would not only punish Chinese misbehavior but also help Italians in the longer run.

Posted by: Joe T. | March 17, 2008 01:38 AM


Gualtiero, I am not a buddhist so I am not interested in the Dalai Lama's wonderful religious message. Nor am I interested in anti-China propaganda delivered by the U.S. and it's proxies (of which Italy is among the most adoring).

If you want to resort to esoteric arguments, then I guess that's the end of the discussion.

Posted by: Aaron March | March 17, 2008 01:06 AM


Paul, your limited knowledge of English made it a tad difficult to understand your post but I think I got the gist of it.

Yes I am familiar with that absurd argument, which is commonly used to justify blatantly racist language.

This pseudo-linguistic argument has been used for decades in the U.S. to justify southerners using the word "nigger." By this logic (and making use of the argument exactly as you state it) the white supremacists in the south used to "point out" that they just use the N-word to refer to black people and that it has no negative connotation to the users. They tried to get people to believe that the "referent" of the word was a black person but that the word lacked a "sense." It is also commonly used to defend the use of the Yiddish word "schwarze" which means "black" but which also is used to refer to servants and, when spoken in an otherwise English sentence, is a derogatory and racist term.

The argument is absurd, these terms are racist and cannot be logically defended.

This whole pile of BS brings to mind a great Italian joke where a Milanese is accused of being racist and angrily responds: "Non so' mi che son razzista, e lu' che e negger!" ("It's not me who's a racist, it's him who's a nigger!")

Posted by: Aaron March | March 17, 2008 12:59 AM



To Aaron and Paul.

I am impressed by your tongues sharp like a sword.
I have to say though, Paul has a local knowledge of the Italian as he probably lived or live there.

Michael Parenti has a very acute sense in evaluating HH Dalai Lama's actions, but he never lost a Tibet! Neither has been followed by his population financially destroyed in abroad country.

If we judge HH Dalai Lama, we will never receive the essence of his message which it's not intellectual.

Why don't we talk about today's bloodshed?

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 17, 2008 12:43 AM


To Aaron.

There is a misunderstanding. I guess you know the distinction between connotation and denotation of a word. Well, in Italian "occhi a mandorla" (almond-like eyes) is a metaphorical expression denoting the typical form of people from Asia. This expression is commonly used by Italians with no particular connotation. In other words, connotation usually coincides with denotation. Sometimes, it may even assume a poetic connotation. Clearly, if you use it in a context tagging your counterpart, then it may be interpreted negatively. But never offesively at the point of becoming a racist word. Example: if I am angry at Finnish for they kill mobs (this is a theoretical example, clearly), I might tag them as "the blonds have been killing mobs for years..." and perhaps no one would ever have anything tp say about the presumed racist character of that sentence. The problem is that you anglosaxon have a much lower threshold above which a verbal expression is considered acceptable, fair, et cetera. These two, namely a misunderstanding about the connotation of the expressio used by Beppe Grillo and your "anglosaxonity", are, in my view, the sources of this "bug".

Posted by: Paul Brown | March 17, 2008 12:00 AM


A qualified and competent translator with the required social sensitivity for the culture of the target language would have been fully aware of the difference between "slitty-eyes" and "almond eyes" and better still, the term should have been avoided altogether.

Personally, with all the "earthy" language he tends to use, I don't think Mr. Grillo would "lower" himself to such depths. I also don't believe he does his own translations. Many times I have suggested that he sack the translator but ... he won't listen!

Posted by: Adriana Mian | March 16, 2008 11:43 PM


Hehe, just noticed rule number six:

"The following are not allowed:

6. messages with racist or sexist content"

Well gee, I suppose Mr. Grillo doesn't have to follow the same rules as the rest of us on his blog. Or would the powers that be here not consider a statement about the West refusing to stop the savage "slitty-eyes" to be racist?

Posted by: Aaron March | March 16, 2008 11:23 PM


Wow, "slitty eyes?" ("almond-eyes" in the literal translation?) I used to like Mr. Grillo, but I guess I have to ask if he's always been a racist, completely ignorant of Chinese and Tibetan history or if he just hates "chinks" for some reason.

Using that term is absolutely unacceptable in any language. What the hell was he thinking?

Not to mention that the Dalai Lama has expressly stated that he is against a boycott and that he believes China has a right to host the Olympics. Plus the nonsensical idealization of Tibetan buddhists.

He ought to take a look at the writings of a genuine, educated progressive like Michael Parenti on the horrific feudal nightmare, complete with slave-labor, child-monk abuse and rampant corruption, that was Tibet when it was a theocracy ruled by "spiritually perfected beings."

Beyond this he might want to explain why Tibetans OR Chinese must accept the interference of the CIA, which has paid millions of dollars to the Dalai Lama and his followers in exile. These aren't absurd, libelous statements by the way, see "Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" by Parenti for a detailed analysis, with references for all these facts:
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

So Mr. Grillo wants the glorious, just, morally impeccable "occident" to intervene in Asia and stop the horrible barbarities of the "slitty eyes?" Hasn't the occident "helped" the rest of the world enough already?

Come on man, he comes off like some sort of uneducated reactionary moron who watches Mediaset and CNN to learn about the world.

I'm really disappointed by this nonsense.

Posted by: Aaron March | March 16, 2008 11:17 PM



Well I just open the debate in English as I requested yesterday to translate his Italian article
as I noticed that the whole world loves the Tibetan cause. We don't need to criticize this or that, the you tube site I posted is just a vision, nevertheless we can't erase what was the history. The HH Dalai Lama just said that he won't stop Tibetan protest.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 16, 2008 10:07 PM


I should have said "earlier centuries".

Posted by: Steve Kaufmann | March 16, 2008 09:06 PM


While I sympathize with the Tibetans, let us not make generalized statements about people being "the most peace loving" in the world. The Tibetans have a proud tradition as a nation, which includes considerable success as a military power in earlier decades. Tibetans have at times controlled the Silk Road, and invaded China's capital city and sacked it during the Tang Dynasty.

I am admirer of Beppe Grillo but I do not think that terms like "the slitty-eyes" (above) help make his point.

Posted by: Steve Kaufmann | March 16, 2008 09:05 PM



Thank You Beppe to translate and add new updates about the Tibetan bloodshed. Satellites on Lhasa and TV live images is the appropriate answer to know the cover up and see with our own eyes what is going on in Tibet now! Then the crowd will decide what to do?
Let's leave the crowd free as what is happening is an on going developing story of a live genocide and cultural destruction.

Many requested more historic knowledge I found this on http://youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY

Would be nice to update worldwide news, sits and new You Tube videos wherever you are here in the blog so every one can have a real time news update!
Thank You!!! Freedom to Tibetans !!!!!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | March 16, 2008 08:32 PM


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