Incinerators and those who are beaten

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The rubbish trains go north. Like migrating birds in spring. Towards the welcoming Germany that separates our rubbish and transforms it into secondary raw materials and in organic compost for industry. The trains of differentiated rubbish then come south again. Towards the Italy that is ridiculous and slovenly. Put in the stocks in the whole of Europe by incapable and corrupt parties.
We pay Germany for the rubbish twice, once on the way there and once on the way back. To get rid of it as rubbish and to buy it as secondary raw materials. The spokesperson for the Saxony Ministry of the Environment said: “The refuse has not been burned in the incinerators, the organic refuse has been separated from the solid refuse, that will become secondary raw materials, a minor part has been treated in a mechanical-biological plant and it will be sold to industry.”
Italy is a great client of its own rubbish and the third importer of secondary raw materials from Germany with two million tons a year. We are importing plastics, metal, paper from the Germans. Our plastic, our metal, our paper. The Germans are doing the work that the Italians don’t know how to do. To separate out the different types of rubbish is too complex a job for the Italian genius. But, above all it gives a low income. The incinerators however, are oil wells for those that make and manage them.
If nothing is created from diamonds, from manure up spring the public companies for managing refuse. And the call of rubbish is stronger than them. The refuse emergency is a business. Find out who gains and you will have found the solution to the problem. For example, but just as an example, who is the main shareholder of Impregilo? Who does the Chiaiano rubbish dump belong to?

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In Italiano:

un paio di richieste: 1) si potrebbero uppare su Youtube delle versioni dei video di Travaglio sottotitolate in inglese, e 2) Per questioni di spazio ho ridimensionato il banner di Passaparola a 188x40, cosi':
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/9/1334417/blog/marco-travaglio_passaparola_blog-grillo.jpg
ma come potete vedere, il risultato e' poco leggibile. Ne potete fare una versione piu' piccola? Una dimensione standard e' di 180x150:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banner#Dimensioni_Standard

In English:
some requests: 1) can you upload on Youtube the videos with Marco Travaglio adding English subtitles? and 2) I don't have so much space on my blog, so I resized the Passaparola banner to 188x40 px, see here:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/9/1334417/blog/marco-travaglio_passaparola_blog-grillo.jpg
As you can see, it's not very good. Can you create a smaller version? A standard dimension is 180x150 pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_banner#Standard_sizes

Posted by: Lucas Malor | May 31, 2008 11:51 AM


Logan Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority. However, there is no record of any convictions or even prosecutions under the Logan Act.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 30, 2008 05:40 PM


he hard to believe Mr. McCaine it's related to the fact that a conservative party such as the republican switch on a green light in a non conservative site like amerocurrency.com

Before to change to the Euro currency the whole
Europe voted. Some rejected the Euro like Norway and England, but the Bank of England didn't forget to put her tow in the profitable ECB with her solid 15.98% ehm, ehm... they too well the game of the Fed how worked out well for them, so they continued to print their own money the smart asses! But in US nobody voted the amero and that,
in a democracy, makes a huge differenc

Share Holders of ECB (BCE)

➢ Banca del Belgio (2,83%)
➢ Banca Danimarca (1,72%)
➢ Banca della Germania (23,40%)
➢ Banca della Grecia (2,16%)
➢ Banca della Spagna (8,78%)
➢ Banca della Francia (16,52%)
➢ Banca d’Irlanda (1,03%)
➢ Banca d'Italia (14,57%)
➢ Banca Lussemburgo (0,17%)
➢ Banca d’Olanda (4,43%)
➢ Oesterreichische Nationalbank (2,30%)
➢ Banca del Portogallo (2,01%)
➢ Suomen Pankki (1,43%)
➢ Banca di Svezia (2,66%)
➢ Banca d’Inghilterra (15,98%)

I a great love for the American people this is why
I take my time to post this info,then you might consider it or you might reject it. This is what I call freedom in a democracy, everyone has to be free to have their own say under this sunshine.

When they call a meeting in a pretty secretive location and VIP arrive in dark screen expensive cars and they don't release their agenda .... oh
baby you don't have to be Einstein to understand that there is something to be excluded from!

That behavior entitle working people to smell there is something fishy going on considering the Logan Act.It's the behavior that trigger suspicious thoughts, robbed in a perpetual basis one day people woke up and discovered the truth.

I know the kids got caught with the fingers in the
chocolate, and someone has to slap the hands from it! Naughty boys & girls!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 30, 2008 05:09 PM


The hard to believe Mr. McCaine it's related to the fact that a conservative party such as the republican switch on a green light in a non conservative site like amerocurrency.com

Before to change to the Euro currency the whole
Europe voted. Some rejected the Euro like Norway and England, but the Bank of England didn't forget to put her tow in the profitable ECB with her solid 15.98% ehm, ehm... they too well the game of the Fed how worked out well for them, so they continued to print their own money the smart asses! But in US nobody voted the amero and that,
in a democracy, makes a huge differenc

Ecco l’elenco dei padroni di Bankitalia con le rispettive percentuali di azioni.
SOCI E PROPRIETARI DELLA BANCA CENTRALE D’ITALIA
Gruppo Intesa (27,2%)
INPS (5%)
Gruppo San Paolo (17,23%)
Banca Carige (3,96%)
Gruppo Capitalia (11,15%)
BNL (2,83%)
Gruppo Unicredito (10,97%)
Gruppo La Fondiaria (2%)
Assicurazioni Generali (6,33%)
Gruppo Premafin (2%)
Monte dei Paschi Siena (2,50%)
C. Risparmio Firenze (1,85%)
RAS (1,33%)
Anonimi (5,65%)
Tre banche da sole “controllano” con il 55,58% la Banca d’Italia: Intesa (27,2%), San
Paolo (17,23%) e Capitalia (11,15%). Rimane un 5,65% nelle mani di anonimi…
La Banca Centrale Europea (BCE) è ufficialmente di proprietà delle banche centrali
degli stati che ne fanno parte.
Siccome le banche centrali sono controllate da società private, di conseguenza anche la
BCE è una società privata.

SOCI E PROPRIETARI DELLA BANCA CENTRALE EUROPEA
➢ Banca del Belgio (2,83%)
➢ Banca Danimarca (1,72%)
➢ Banca della Germania (23,40%)
➢ Banca della Grecia (2,16%)
➢ Banca della Spagna (8,78%)
➢ Banca della Francia (16,52%)
➢ Banca d’Irlanda (1,03%)
➢ Banca d'Italia (14,57%)
➢ Banca Lussemburgo (0,17%)
➢ Banca d’Olanda (4,43%)
➢ Oesterreichische Nationalbank (2,30%)
➢ Banca del Portogallo (2,01%)
➢ Suomen Pankki (1,43%)
➢ Banca di Svezia (2,66%)
➢ Banca d’Inghilterra (15,98%)

Addirittura la Federal Reserve non sarebbe neanche una società americana visto che è
registrata a Porto Rico!
SOCI E PROPRIETARI DELLA FEDERAL RESERVE U.S.A.
Rothschild Bank di Londra
Kuhn Loeb Bank di New York
Warburg Bank di Amburgo
Israel Moses Seif Banks Italia
Rothschild Bank di Berlino
Goldman, Sachs di New York
Lehman Brothers di New York
Warburg Bank di Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers di Parigi
Chase Manhattan di New York

I a great love for the American people this is why
I take my time to post this info,then you might consider it or you might reject it. This is what I call freedom in a democracy, everyone has to be free to have their own say under this sunshine.

When they call a meeting in a pretty secretive location and VIP arrive in dark screen expensive cars and they don't release their agenda .... oh
baby you don't have to be Einstein to understand that there is something to be excluded from!

That behavior entitle working people to smell there is something fishy going on considering the Logan Act.It's the behavior that trigger suspicious thoughts, robbed in a perpetual basis one day people woke up and discovered the truth.

I know the kids got caught with the fingers in the
chocolate, and someone has to slap the hands from it! Naughty boys & girls!

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 30, 2008 05:00 PM


Mr. Wheeler,

I see like many in this country your wheel doesn't roll anymore.

You might not believe it but if you go to see
www.amerocurrency.com you see that the money for that plan it's ready to be delivered.

Hard to believe Mr. McCaine had an add going in that site to promote his campaign sometime ago.

Sure that wasn't a conspiracy, I saw it with my eyes.

Sleep well...

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 30, 2008 05:32 AM


What a shame that people chose to believe the uncorroborated outpourings of vested interests such as those in the "documentary" mentioned by Sr.Cocco.
Yes, there are conspirators in every aspect of our lives and this film has been created by one such group. "Beware of false prophets".
I don't know whether Adrianna S is simply "taking the piss", as we crudely put it in Oz, or deliberately trying to discredit this blog and its contributors. Either way, he/she/it would be better monitored very carefully.
With respect to HK's comments on rich versus poor, polarisation of the topic serves only to create a lot of heat and very little light. Do we need to have excessive wealth at the expense of extreme poverty? The responsibility of every person is.. "to love ones nieghbour as oneself" - no more and no less. It is beholden of every person of talent to use them to the mutual benefit of society as a whole. How few of us seem willing to take on this responsibilty :(

Posted by: Rolly Wheeler | May 30, 2008 04:01 AM


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&q=endgame&total=2411&

One of the most shockingly true documentary

A must see.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 30, 2008 12:46 AM


Italian scientists are leading the research on hyposcolopters. A byproduct of this endeavor has been the discovery of the process of lesternization of cateraldic semidregnates. This research is just one step away from opening up unlimited renewable energy from clean natural sources. Unfortunately, funding for this project has been very limited and progress has been halted. Instead of making a firm and sustained commitment to this research, what do we do? We go back to nuclear energy! Not only will it create problems, but construction is likely to proceed along the same path as the Messina Strait Bridge. Those nuclear power station will come online so late they will be obsolete before they are even switched on! I hope Grillo will finally spend a few good words on Italian research on cateraldic semidregnates!!

Posted by: Arianna S. | May 30, 2008 12:17 AM


Edededed
I surely heard about CNR and I know some valid people myself.
Problem is that it's all wrapped inside a wall with incompetent managers on the outside.
In few words you could be smart twice as Einstein and discover cold fusion but that would stop there because there are a lot of corrupted and/or idiotic managers that would put your idea to sleep because they are either paid to do that or too stupid to recognise your solution.

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | May 29, 2008 07:03 PM


Dear David Barneby

If Italians were able to pull their collective heads out of the sand they would have stuck Berlusconi's head in the sand and kicked him up the arse. I don't know of any other democracy where a thief and a liar, a person with conflicts of interests, a person who changes law so he won't be put in gaol (jail for the Americans) is so wholeheartedly exulted.
Well, there have been other examples -usually as a pre-cursor to a dictatorship.

Posted by: Robert Morrison | May 29, 2008 12:14 PM


Dear David Barneby

If Italians were able to pull their collective heads out of the sand they would have stuck Berlusconi's head in the sand and kicked him up the arse. I don't know of any other democracy where a thief and a liar, a person with conflicts of interests, a person who changes law so he won't be put in gaol (jail for the Americans) is so wholeheartedly exulted.
Well, there have been other examples -usually as a pre-cursor to a dictatorship.

Posted by: Robert Morrison | May 29, 2008 12:12 PM


"Being a rich and successful businessman is not a crime."
Maybe not but in a world where more than 65 per cent of the population is seriously malnourished it is decidedly immoral.
Averice/greed is also one of the seven "deadly sins", I understand.

Posted by: Rolly Wheeler | May 29, 2008 12:10 PM


I read some of the comments above .
How quickly people depart from the subject .
It is up to the Italian government to solve the problem of the refuse . It is surely low paid work ; probably done in Germany by newly arrived Turkish immigrants .
Who would do it in Italy ? Albanians , Romanians , North Africans ? Italians won't do domestic service , or look after their elderly .

I note the switch from the subject ; to condemning Berlusconi and Mediaset .
That is one of the serious problems of Italian politics .
Being a rich and successful businessman is not a crime ; even if he has achived success in the same way that most Italian businessmen do .
It is a question of "Not seeing the Wood for the Trees". The people should concentrate their minds on government policies , what the government actually does to better the Economy of Italy . Give some encouragement to the government !
Parliament is as its name describes , just a place for political party in-fighting .
Everyone has their faults !!! Belusconi is a very able man and (arguably) the best available to try to solve the nearly unsolvable problems Italy hopes to overcome . Italians need to pull their heads out of the sand . To have social policies and welfare programms , that Italy cannot afford is unthinkable .
Italy is a beautiful country , full of the stupidest people imaginable , in every strata of society . There is no Utopia , that multiple political parties are seeking . Clearing the National Debt should be the Prime objective !!! Rollo Wheeler is quite right . " The people get the government they deserve " !!!

Posted by: David Barneby | May 29, 2008 05:00 AM


"The people get the government that they deserve."
What does that say about Italian social culture?

Posted by: Rolly Wheeler | May 29, 2008 03:20 AM



Intelligent people produce intelligent results.

How is Italy faring?

Posted by: E3 | May 29, 2008 12:23 AM


A serious and competent person.....This an example of dignity of the people of Naples...... despite Bassolino and politicians

Posted by: Domenico | May 28, 2008 10:48 PM


Few days ago on CNBC an advertisement by Honda pass through .... water and from the exhaust ...vapor...
google Honda water car folks ...and have fun!

It's not new Edededed that some info in the news doesn't get here yesterday Bin Laden K2 here in all the channel I watched nothing only on Internet.

So the media it's not controlled only locally but globally, of course they say we are nuts, but there you go they release only what they want where they want. Even Cnn has two three headquarters, here we see Atlanta but they switch
in LA CNN International or CNN London. The only thing that never change it's Larry King. We see Lou Dobbs, the Cafferty file but in Italy they told me they don't see it. I wonder if I am wrong.. let me know it's so.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 28, 2008 09:22 PM


Italia = Alitalia

Posted by: E3 | May 28, 2008 08:14 PM


What do we expect?
Leonardo and Fermi are from the past.
Today we have new rampant managers who are citing the Battle of Waterloo as an example of victory.
Do we need more evidence?

Posted by: Giovanni Principe | May 28, 2008 06:54 PM


So true, follow the money! Do you remember Di Pietro
....?

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 28, 2008 06:14 PM


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