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The income tax revenue agency has published online all the incomes of Italian citizens in 2005. Anyone can have free access, without being identified. This was suggested to them by the Ndrangheta, by the Mafia, by the Camorra and by the Sacra Corona Unita. Padoa Schioppa and Visco, with Prodiís blessing and by the Centre Left ďunited and so never to be defeatedĒ, put it into execution. The kidnapping of people will be facilitated, the ransom can be in proportion to the income declared. Organised crime will no longer have to investigate, to presume. They can go in without risk of failure by connecting to the tax collection site.
The good-for-nothings and the tax dodgers anyway will have nothing to fear. Those who pay taxes will be punished, those who pay a lot can be kidnapped, subject to extortion, robbed.
The robberies in the villas can finally be carried out in the whole of Italy and they wonít be concentrated in Lombardy and Veneto.
Family hatreds will find free reign. Those who havenít given a loan to the family and have a high income will be finally unmasked.
Madness. This is madness. After the Great Pardon that liberated the prisons, this former government of vile, presumptuous and deficient people supplies to the criminals, information about income and the home address of the tax payers. Paying taxes like that is too dangerous. It would be better to have a conviction for tax evasion than to be knifed or kidnapped. The tax relationship is between the citizen and the State and it must remain like that.
Letís send an email to the next Minister of the Economy, Giulio Tremonti asking him to re-establish the rules of civil life and to block the access to sensitive data to anyone.
In the next few days I will try to find out who was the inspiration behind this mess. Itís right that everyone can get to know and that they can be responsible for any possible consequences.

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I prefer to have little without a big information board "antilogy" on my forehead.

I wish Beppe a lot of rapacious friends, this brings blessedness :-D

Posted by: Simon Schmidt | May 6, 2008 12:26 AM


I prefer to have little without a big information board "antilogy" on my forehead.

I wish Beppe a lot of rapacious friends, this brings blessedness :-D

Posted by: Simon Schmidt | May 6, 2008 12:23 AM


I wish people would treat each other with esteem and positive words!

Posted by: Cecilia Illes | May 5, 2008 04:31 AM


Sadly, you could be correct. At least Grillo is trying his best. He's an optimist by nature and not willing to give up .

Posted by: Mark | May 3, 2008 04:48 PM


KKKK: You write like a true blooded ostrich! I am sure your beloved casta will solve Italy's problems and the solutions will be presented to you in meaningless political language that will keep you and people like you in a permanent state of narcosis.

Posted by: Mark | May 3, 2008 02:50 PM


Many people who are now criticizing Beppe for the incredible work heís doing have spent the past twenty years with their heads in the sand and their ass stuck out in the air for any passerby to grab. I guess they enjoyed the experience too much!
Today the casta is thundering in the press that Beppe has been disrespectful of Napolitano. I beg to differ because Beppeís criticism of Napolitano is correct. The President has failed miserably in his number one duty: upholding and defending the Constitution by allowing these fraudulent and unconstitutional elections to proceed.

Posted by: Mark | May 3, 2008 02:12 PM


Just received this one.I don't know
Is this true?


Is It NBA Or NFL?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


36
Have been accused of spousal abuse


7
Have been arrested for fraud


19
Have been accused of writing bad checks


117
Have directly or indirectly
bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3
Have done time for assault

71
Repeat

71
cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14
Have been arrested on drug-related charges

8
Have been arrested for shoplifting

21
Currently are defendants in lawsuits, and

84
Have been arrested for drunk driving
In the last year


Can
You guess which organization this is?

Give
Up yet? . . Scroll down,?
??
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?


Neither,
it's the 435 members of the
United States Congress


The
Same group of Idiots that crank out
Hundreds of new laws each year
Designed to keep the rest of us in line.

You gotta pass this one on!


Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 3, 2008 02:28 AM


"All the bluster over the invasion of privacy etc etc doesnt hide the fact that it a bit difficult for you to say you "are one of us" now with an income of over 4 Million."

Exactly. Wealthy fucker.

Posted by: kevin reynolds | May 3, 2008 01:16 AM


G.G.G. In The Financial Times, a couple of weeks ago, there was an article explaining how both Berlusconi and Bossi want to drop the Euro in favour of the Lira. The devaluation of the Lira was the phony engine that allowed many Italian governments to prop up a sputtering economy over and over again. The B&B gang wants to return to that golden period of smoke and mirrors as soon as they can. If this scenario comes to pass, an Argentina style debacle will be highly possible.

Posted by: Mark | May 3, 2008 12:32 AM


Alessandra, if you live abroad you must know that in civilized Countries it is against the law to make public your income tax information. Italy is not a democratic Country with a respectable legal and political system. For you to accept as normal the fact that this information can be freely circulated can only mean that you should not live outside Italy because you are a misfit in a foreign Country.

Posted by: Mark | May 3, 2008 12:19 AM


Please... This is Bu****it!

This is a clear evidence of how many people in Italy have got things to hide. I'm disgusted by how may people reacted to this. I'm happy to live abroad.

The mafia/criminality has got many other means to know how much you earn, and however the income declared has always been available at the Comune so they could check anyway.

Plus, given the state of the affairs and how many people make false declarations, I think that anyway in average the income appearing on the website will be less than the real one.

So Mr Grillo, having said that and having said that I'm not disturbed at all by your income level, what's the problem?

I've got nothing to hide, mine is in the Comune di Roma, as I still lived there in 2005. Go and check it as you please.

However, I'm not sure I'll visit this blog anymore, at the beginning I thought it was something meaningful, now I'm fed up with this populism.

Alessandra

Posted by: alessandra vona | May 2, 2008 11:29 PM


The problem is what are we going to do with the data?
Now that we all know how much our neighbours make what are we going to do with it? Transparency is great but not for the sake of it.
I see the point in having hundreds of thousand of people able to report suspicious situations (i.e. driving a Lambo and declaring 10K a year) but reporting to whom?
Isnít this data already available to the tributary police?
I live in UK and over here there is a free-phone number to denounce benefit fraud and another one for tax evasion.
The service is anonymous and it does work because of that.
In Italy you can ring 117 but you have to leave your generalities and you may not want to do that.
So now Italians have a great deal of knowledge but they can do very little with it.
Isnít this a massive waste of time?

Posted by: andrea ceccanti | May 2, 2008 04:30 PM


So, Grillo makes 4 million; who the fuck cares? So Grillo contradicted himself one time, a few times, many times I don't really know and don't care. The guy is human, humans contradict themselves, if they didn't they would be machines. The question is: do you believe in this movement or believe in Grillo? I believe in the movement. I read and listen to Grillo but the comments in his blog are more important for me. Grillo's blog is more important than Grillo. In this blog we meet. I was going to say we discuss, but we don't. And that's not fucking good. It seems we're here to score points and insult one another. I think this happens because you're young (I'm not); youth brings the smart-ass out. But that's OK, but don't do it all the time. Stop the insults and the swearing and ask questions; ask the fucking questions, ask the fucking questions and try to be less smart-ass. Are you guys getting it? I hope so, because if you don't, we might as well turn off the lights and get the hell out of Dodge. And then really the Italian situation is hopeless.

Posted by: LP | May 2, 2008 01:22 AM


Marco Rossi, you have to learn to give credit when credit is due. The vaffanculo is reserved for people like you and your mafiosi and corrupt masters.

Posted by: Mark | May 1, 2008 11:01 PM


Calm calm, there is always a chicken and who is going to grab the the chicken and eat it.

Commodities market it's taking profit and buy google

apple and the whole high teck. There will be alwyays

who bught google at 740 wating to come back at that

price and there will be always who bought

commodities at the new highs and are still waiting to sell.

There will be always someone that dislike Beppe

and the Blog that he needs a better translator,and

and I agree, but more people like him in Italy and

abroad. Why? If you did take profit and reinvested

you know why, if you always criticize and complain

of this and that, you can be sure you are the next

chicken to loose or to be eaten.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 1, 2008 10:38 PM


I'd like to comment on the recent 'invention' of the Italian government of putting taxation data online.
Invention being the key word.
Upon closer scrutiny of the art. 69 DPR 600 of 1973 (http://www.comune.jesi.an.it/MV/leggi/dpr600-73.htm), anyone can easily note that the Ministry acted in direct violation of the law.
Moving on ...
They further attempt to justify this act by claiming it is in the interest of transparency.
That's an obvious lie.
My request is simple. Transparency like a glass window is a two-way medium. Perhaps, it would be interesting to see Padoa-Schioppa's address, income, property and bank accounts (italian and non) published online.
If there is nothing to fear by doing this, our minister should be the first to set an example.

Posted by: Guy Donald | May 1, 2008 10:34 PM


Calm calm, there is always a chicken and who is going to grab the the chicken and eat it.

Commodities market it's taking profit and buy google

apple and the whole high teck. There will be alwyays

who bught google at 740 wating to come back at that

price and there will be always who bought

commodities at the new highs and are still waiting to sell.

There will be always someone that dislike Beppe

and the Blog that he needs a better translator,and

and I agree, but more people like him in Italy and

abroad. Why? If you did take profit and reinvested

you know why, if you always criticize and complain

of this and that, you can be sure you are the next

chicken to loose or to be eaten.

Posted by: Gualtiero Cocco | May 1, 2008 10:34 PM


Oh John John John, (as we say in Italy when ATTITUDE prevails and DENIAL rules as BLIND IDEOLOGY...OMERTA'...remember...?)

Here your original POST

***
Beppe,
All the bluster over the invasion of privacy etc etc doesnt hide the fact that it a bit difficult for you
to say you "are one of us" now with an income of over 4 Million.

John
***

The very heart of the matter that you are working extremely hard in not willing to face, is what Beppe, the Great Beppe, originally has been YELLING at our Politicos...: TRANSPARENCY from the GOVERNMENT..in the PUBLIC OFFICERS affairs (dirty) and PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION

The GOVERNMENT (we have none, actually - it's a transition time, very dangerous for the People of Italy, but A LONG SOUGHT AFTER for CROOKS, LIARS AND THIEVES of any KIND).., as a capricious little ALL emotional kid of 3 years old, went WILDLY IN FULL SPEED and RETALIATION, publishing much more than the TAX RETURNS of ***selected people** MUCH MORE WAS DONE to endanger SELECTED people..

For the DENIERS of PLANNING, of course nothing was previously planned with the MEDIA & their LIES: all is a GENUINE and CANDID coincidence of course it is - ((PLANNING does not exists in GUERRILLA POLITICS today...right??))

The AGENZIA delle ENTRATE went on line (worldwide availability) without implementing any BASIC SAFETY policy - the result: the ABSOLUTE capability for everyone, (no SIGN UP or IDENTIFICATION policy), to STEAL data about privacy..and that's exactly what happened and many web sites were able to save, in those few hours, huge amount of DATA...

It could very well be a GOLPE for a few million euro of CITIZEN PRIVATE DATA, now in the black market for SCAMMERS to use at their will..
A great job...

This is WHAT REALLY HAPPENED and GRILLO didn't raise the voice loud enough, in my view..!!!

The attempt to LABEL the guy as a COMMUNIST (see your **are one of us** ) is a cheap shot which you should not have allowed yourself to practice.
It's pitiful, TOXIC, and an EMPTY attempt to LABEL something you probably have difficulties to UNDERSTAND in FULL, I hope

Please, again, sue Carletto (Karl) Rove for his PSEUDO MACHIAVELLIAN teachings which, confess that now, YOU ADORE..
Unfortunately, we all studied Machiavelli and the TWISTED mind and thoughts, and was never a MODEL to embrace and be guided by -

DENIAL is prevailing..but there no such thing as Denial and long legs..

Sorry to say that you have brought into this blog a morbid attack against a Guy who paid a price to be democratically free, honest and correctly outspoken all over his professional life, and in his Shows on TV (read something about his time on TV and what CRAXI -an ITALIAN NIXON- ORDERED as a FASCIST, to his SCHLEPPERS to do with GRILLO)

That was happening 35/40 years ago...YEARS AHEAD of Myths such Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and you name all of them

Having said that, and having established that your participation in this Blog is about JOINING &/Or promoting sort of a **SMEAR BRIGADE CULTURE**, an established and extremely clear fact which HARDLY you can DENY, I am sorry for your attempt to PRETEND to say something with substance, and you just failed MISERABLY on that: upsetting might be your goal, but you should not abuse, by PRETENDING to LABEL whomever you want - it sounds capricious and useless -

We are all free to say what we want, but the GOLDEN RULE states that where other people freedom (and truth) starts, our freedom ends..

In Italy, such blog participation is called: GALOPPINO which is not offensive, just descriptive and accurate -
The closet things could be..A Mouthpiece, like Our Good Old Generals, cheerleading FOR false aspects of this WAR in Iraq, for a buck or two...talking about HONOR and INTEGRITY or MEDIA fair & balanced...please

Can you see the two cases and the fundamental differences...?

Italy, in the culture and history and highly developed sense of hospitality (civilization at his best...ndr), keeps resisting the fraud represented by preachers of the **it's always a sunny day at Disney World - you can't do better than us**

Sadly, all boil down to a failed policy which endangers the average Joe's reputation and wallet, everywhere on earth, and it might bring upn us just bad..as we can see happening today
Be and stay well..Grillo is doing MIRACLES, not the PsychoDummy

OOps...this is the STRONGEST and morse sounded part of your post

***
I wish that Grillo could effect some change in this country but as long as his rhetoric is
like something from a 1950's Socialist Workers
meeting I feel he will not have the support of
the middle ground in Italy and without the
middle you just have the nutty right and the nutty
left.

John

*****

Middle Ground, in Italy, like in many other places, as in MIDDLE CLASS is DISAPPEARING at an alarming rate -a factual and verifiable reality -- we are no longer in the 30's and 40's - Precariato RULES - goal of this new MODERN model is to DESTABILIZE A society...is that clear enough for you, or should I articulate in depth..?
Thanks

Posted by: Ededed | May 1, 2008 08:32 PM


Leveille, Grillo will sure post his cell phone nr here for you to read. Just wait... itīs coming!

hahaha

And you work for BBC????

hahaha


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Posted by: Phillip Federer | May 1, 2008 06:25 PM


cen so ir
beppe censoir!

fu ck you!

Posted by: fuck you beppe | May 1, 2008 05:48 PM


Beppe --

How can I reach you by phone for a BBC radio interview. I'm a producer in Boston. Please advise.
D.Leveille

Posted by: D. | May 1, 2008 05:17 PM


Beppe,

please this is b...shit. The transparency that you indicated as a proposal from camorra and ndrangheta is since decades used in many countries, between them Sweden where I do live.
What is the problem to know how much people earn?
Transparency as a clean parlament is a fundamental for that democracy you are trying to propose.
Do not be misleaded by such a shit like this.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Gabriele Arrighetti | May 1, 2008 05:07 PM


Dan. Ilo. Do you know personally that Grillo didnít help him financially while raising money for him through the Blog? I don't.

Posted by: Mark | May 1, 2008 04:45 PM


J.K. Many people thought ethanol was the way to go and now realize that ethanol must be extracted from sources different than corn and other dietary crops. Donít fault Grillo if he changed his mind.
Many people expected change coming from Prodi e were sadly disappointed.
To publish tax information is a crime punishable with imprisonment in many civilized Countries. Grillo is absolutely right on this one. Only the Italians, who never had any sense of what democracy is all about, would accept disclosure of this very private information.
Grillo deserve the gratitude of all honest and decent Italians for bringing much wanted light on a corrupt and dictatorial political process that for over sixty years has thrived in darkness and silence and has become the laughing stock of the world.

Posted by: Mark | May 1, 2008 04:35 PM


Beppe,

Remember Fabullo, the sick kid?

Why did you ask us to pay for him, when we barely get to the end of the month and you are super-rich?

Posted by: Dan. Ilo. | May 1, 2008 04:34 PM


Edededed wrote on the 1st of May:

> John,
>
> if I may..
>
> Can you articulate a little on these statements
> of yours..?

Sure.

> ***
> Damn, I wasn't aware I could get paid for that?
> ***
>
> The I WASN'T AWARE is at the foundation of
> OMERTA' or LAW OF SILENCE - a VERY progressive
> (NOT) mind-set (NOT), the very contrary, my
> friend), as WIDE SPREAD in many cultures around
> the World, as PIZZA -

Well it looks like irony is not one of your stronger suits?

> 1) trying to say the mafia were behind the release
> of this information is stretching things a little
> far
> ***
>
> Mafia (camorra, ndrangheta, sacra corona DON'T
> EXIST outside the Parliament/s)
> Did you ever realize that..?

Hogwash. Its raving statements like these that make me despair about the future of Italy.

> How do you know all these details about MAFIA
> Modus Operandi and with such **I know it all -
> trust me..** attitude, which blatantly
> indicates your MISSION and LOVE for smearing
> and bashing..?

Wow did I say I know all the details of how they
work?

> Are you in training at Carletto (Karl) Rove
> Academy ..? or you would love to be a disciple
> of the GRAND MASTER of UNIVERSAL TRUTHS &
> ACCURACIES (NOT)

Never been to that Academy. But the lies they spew
should not be challanged by garbage from the other
extreme.

> This is quintessential to the essence of your
> mind-frame and line of thought -

Mind reader as well as someone who just "knows better". You are truly a talanted individual.

> Beppe is doing a terrific job, (together with DeMagistris, Forleo, Imposimato, Travaglio, Gomez, Falcone, Borsellino): a much dignified job than the Ex-Generals (should we check their TAX RETURNS freely and On Line as well...?), paid by the Pentagon (your money, eventually), to SPREAD to all the media verified FRAUDULENT statements -
> Karl (Carletto) Rove strategy failed once again.
> (Goebbels in his grave, a little agitated, do you agree...?)

Wow, you have me there. I admit, I am a CIA operative paid by the Mafia, Right wing Generals,
the church and certain Russian and Middle Eastern
Oil interests to discredit Grillo as we fear he
may become the next Castro. He even has the beard.
Do you know if he smokes exploding cigars?

> Allow me to say this: If I were you, I would reconsider this attempt to spread narrow-minded PROPAGANDA of extremely poor taste (tacky, in essence and no substance) and I would stay within the cultural **enlightment** in which you are comfortable -

Whats great is that you are free to say this.
Whats great also is that I am free to say what
I want. I will take your comment on my taste as
a compliment.

> I would also stay as far as I could from events hard for you to ever possibly understand - your bias are of an ideological & fundamentalist tickness..no hope to recover

Is the pot calling the kettle black here?

> Transparency of how our Government and Players operates was the original issue - spinning around as you do is TOXIC and USELESS: it's an old trick that is laughable in his intent

Its not the original issue I raised.

I wish that Grillo could effect some change in this country but as long as his rhetoric is
like something from a 1950's Socialist Workers
meeting I feel he will not have the support of
the middle ground in Italy and without the
middle you just have the nutty right and the nutty
left.

John

Posted by: John Boland | May 1, 2008 03:37 PM


Mark

Do you really believe that what Grillo preaches would produce positive resuls?

Grillo has preached first for ethanol; then against ethanol.

Grillo has campaigned for Prodi; then has condemned his government.

Grillo has proclaimed the need for free information on line and for no censorship; then he is enraged when information about himself is published online...

He has been saying one thing and the opposite.

So, when you believe that Grilloīs preachings are Italyīs only hope, which preachings do you refer to???


Posted by: J. K. | May 1, 2008 03:31 PM


To be identified as one of a kind and a rare one at that makes you worth a lot of money. That simple. Don't begrudge Grillo his money. He works hard for it and is the only real voice of dissent in this fucked up Country that, for the moment, is still called Italy.

Posted by: Mark | May 1, 2008 03:23 PM



To say that someone hurt my cat, I must at least have a cat...

Posted by: Conciufus .Nocat. | May 1, 2008 02:59 PM


TAXABLE INCOME
VS REAL INCOME

Some examples of why legally declared taxable income does not match real income (on the basis of Italyīs tax laws):

- Financial income: the taxpayer can elect to have it taxed at the source. In most cases it is taxed at a flat rate of 12.5%. Such income does not need to be included in tax returns.

- Capital gains: unrealized capital gains are real increases in wealth, but are not taxable as income.

- Real estate: the profit from the sale of previously owned real estate is not taxable.

- Entrepreneurs: the owner of a very successful and profitable company could legally report a very low income. Such entrepreneur may well elect to leave profits inside the company. Such income is taxed at the company level.

On the opposite side:

- Undeductible costs: There are costs incurred in the process of achieving earnings which are not deductible. An example is the cost of management of rental properties, if such rental properties are owned directly by an individual. Those same costs could well be deductible if the property were owned by a company. This results in overstated taxable income--real income is lower than declared.

- Double taxation: income such as dividends is actually taxed twice. First as income at the company level. Then as income at the personal level, when received.

Moral of the story: the publication of reported income without the details of how the numbers are derived and without the competence to interpret the information is unlikely to yield any meaningful information. It is, however, very likely to do damage.

It can stoke unfounded resentment by those led to draw the wrong conclusions. It can increase risks such as those mentioned by Grillo. It can unduly provide reserved information to counterparts in negotiations. The examples are many. The net result will only be to make Italy even less appealing to those with funds to invest and the talent to found successful companies and create jobs. As if they needed any more incentives to take their money and competence elsewhere.

The comparison with Scandinavian countries fails to take into account that Italy has a completely different context. It would also be very naive to assume that such approach to taxes does not have any drawbacks. Mr. Ikea (Ingvar Kamprad), after all, has long since moved to Switzerland--and probably not because of its woods!

Posted by: H. H. H. | May 1, 2008 02:37 PM


This blog sucks. Just a ten-minute look at it will show why nothing in Italy will change through the so-called Grillini.
a) there is no dialogue. Either between Beppe and his followers or between the followers themselves. It perfectly reproduces the individualism (in the negative sense of extreme self-centeredness) that has made Italy what it is in the first place. It isn't a community at all, but a mob of shouters.
b) the revelation that Beppe makes over 4 million euros a year is fatal. For what? With that money he could have someone moderate (NOT censor) this blog so that it would not be chaos. And up until very recently, the English version was pathetic. With his money, he couldn't find a decent translator? And he's a friend of the working man?
c) the advocate of the Web and transparency is against the online publication of fiscal data. How convenient. And he expects us to believe it's just because of potential misuse by the Mafia. An insult to our intelligence.

Posted by: Cynthia | May 1, 2008 02:26 PM


Luca wrote:

> Why da fuck, my earnings shold be visible to all
> world population???

I dont personally think they should but I was not
arguing for this when I made my comment.

> Is just a trick for create a polemics about how
> much Grillo earn.

I doubt it. Posting everyones earnings just to expose the earnings of Grillo is like using a hammer to crack a nut. But then in the world of
conspiracy thoeries, everything is possible.

> Ans all these negative comments on Grillo post
> are posted from a group of people paid to do
> so!!!

Damn, I wasnt aware I could get paid for that?
Where do I sign up to join this group?
Do I need to declare the income to the tax man?

Bottom line is I dont think it was right to publish what is clearly confidential information
on Italian citizens on the web but:

1) trying to say the mafia were behind the release
of this information is stretching things a little
far
2) the fact the Bebe earned 4 Mill in 2005 would seem to me to indicate that Bebe is quite happy with the status quo and explains why he is not
interested in entering the running for a job that
only pays Ä120.000

John

Posted by: John Boland | May 1, 2008 12:21 PM


When i go to vote, my vote is secret.
If i go to the ospital, my personal information is hide to my girlfriend because is not a familiar.
Those are just small examples of privacy.
Why da fuck, my earnings shold be visible to all world population???
Is just a trick for create a polemics about how much Grillo earn.
Ans all these negative comments on Grillo post are posted from a group of people paid to do so!!!
Dictature is already started.......again.....

Posted by: luca albumi | May 1, 2008 11:47 AM


Beppe,

All the bluster over the invasion of privacy etc etc doesnt hide the fact that it a bit difficult for you
to say you "are one of us" now with an income of over 4 Million.

John

Posted by: John Boland | May 1, 2008 10:30 AM


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