D'Alia’s “Shit Wall” against the Internet


Senator D'Alia interviewed by Alessandro Gilioli

The UDC’s Senator D'Alia wants to black out the Internet. He has proposed an amendment, that has been approved in the Senate, to a draft law put forward by Brunetta that will oblige the ISPs to black out a site, a blog or a social media like YouTube or Facebook at the request of the Minister of the Interior for crimes of opinion, for example a film clip or a group that invites people not to observe a law that is considered to be unjust. Without any verdict from a magistrate. Today, this only happens in China. In a dictatorship. The Chinese have erected a "Golden Wall" against Internet information. They were inspired by the Great Wall of China. D'Alia wants to build a “Shit Wall”. He was inspired by the psycho-dwarf.
YouTube is Mediaset’s true competitor. I would not buy Mediaset even if they gifted it to me. Advertising is abandoning the TV and news is done on the Internet. Putting the Internet under the control of the executive power means in fact closing it down and zipping up the mouths of the free citizens.
Google’s Marco Pancini has said: “No, the “ad Aziendam” laws {laws against particular companies} that then have an impact on the whole ecosystem, cannot be made. And it would be necessary to avoid taking Italy to the level of the worst countries in the world as regards crimes of opinion.
Italy itself is anyway an “ad Aziendam” country and as regards the prosecution of crimes of opinion we are second to none.
The State is ours and we will take it back.

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From Alessandro Gilioli’s interview with Senator D'Alia published in "L'Espresso".

A. Gilioli: I wanted to talk about the amendment. First of all, can you explain the aim and what use it is.

D'Alia: The amendment brings in article 50 bis to the package on security, and it allows the Minister of the Interior, on the notification by the judicial authorities, who takes action on crimes of instigation to commit crime or apologia of crimes, to make available to suppliers of connectivity to the Internet to use filtering tools against those sites or social networks that contain, let’s say, declarations and other stuff connected with these supposed crimes.
That is, it is a regulation that is used to start to take action on the regulation of the Internet and this has been born basically from the happenings that relate to Facebook, of the appearance on that social network of groups that are praising Riina, Provenzano, the Red Brigades and so on.
And given that in the regulations there is no tool that allows for an immediate intervention obviously if a potential crime is seen, that is if the magistracy is investigating, the Minister of the Interior can intervene with a tool that is completely for protection and is used to avoid a multiplication of such sites and of these illegal displays on the Internet.
Obviously, all this happens with the possibility of recourse to the judicial authorities by the interested parties, and anyway via a procedure that has a “contradictory” nature even with the managers of the site that receives the notification to black out or delete those parts that are in contrast to the situations mentioned earlier.

A. Gilioli: However, Senator, excuse me for interrupting you. The contestation is exactly this: I have had a good read of your amendment. It does not talk about deleting the parts but about blacking out the websites. OK, then: if there is a group on Facebook that is inciting people in favour of Provenzano rather than other things, the effects of your amendment would not be to delete that page but to black out the whole site.

D'Alia: But excuse me: if the manager of the site does not accept to delete these elements from the site, it is right that the site is blacked out. The Minister tells the webmaster, then the webmaster has two possibilities: either to obey the instructions and delete the groups from the site, or not obey. If he does not obey, he is making himself an accomplice to those who are praising Provenzano and Riina, so it is right that he is blacked out.

A. Gilioli: For example, on YouTube, there are various videos that could perhaps fall within the conditions that you have outlined. If YouTube does not delete those videos, will the whole of YouTube be blacked out?

D'Alia: According to me, yes , certainly.

A. Gilioli: And another, example...

D'Alia: I’ll give you an example: If a video comes out on YouTube, as has happened and for which there was a lot of polemics, in which 4 youngsters were beating up one of their peers who had a disability – anyway – in this case we are in the presence of the representation of a crime and it is not that we are talking about an apologia: there is a live film or the copy of a film showing a criminal action being committed. Is it right that a site keeps that? I believe it isn’t right.

A. Gilioli: Another point: there’s an online discussion, on the websites, on the fora. Among the people participating in th forum it can happen that someone is insulted or even threatened. Do you think that this comes within the ambit...

D'Alia: If I threaten someone, the threat is real, whether it is on the Internet or not it is a crime.

A. Gilioli: I’ll give you another example: Let’s say I am the author of a blog. On my blog, one of the people who are commenting on my blog insults me, or threatens me. Since I am the blog master and thus believe that it is right to leave my blog open to every voice, including those who threaten and insult me, and I do not remove these voices.
Does even this situation come within the ambit ?


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perfavore, vorrei sapere cosa bisogna fare per SBATTESSARSI.
vorrei veramente non essere piu un cattolico, cioe un pagano o un mafioso. per favore grazie. roberto bartoli

Posted by: roberto bartoli | February 23, 2009 11:25 PM

Please continue to bring this information to the public/worldview in english as well.

It is hard for some of us to believe that these ideas actually get discussed in a country considered to be a modern western democracy.

The internet is or can be one of the only places that direct democracy in action can be seen, no matter how many inane opinions you have to read on it. Censorship is in and of itself disturbing, but particularly disturbing in country where political leader are allowed majority ownership in the media outlets.

Posted by: Kathy Marin | February 16, 2009 04:00 AM

Politicos are going against the Constitution.
They want to unify 2 of the 3 powers which rule our country. They want executive and judiciary bounded together. It is a sort of slow-motion fascism, but sometimes they press the FFWD button.

They would like to censor the net too, after what they did with newspapers and TV.

"NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

Posted by: Marco Caco | February 13, 2009 11:59 AM

che dici di sterminio dei bahai in iran?

Posted by: muhammad | February 13, 2009 10:47 AM

The real problem for the politicos is that they havent worked out a way (YET!!) to tax the internet.

That's their main problem here in italy where they need to get their hands in your pocket to make themselves and their political cronies richer.

Setting up government fire walls is only the start.

Posted by: Pat Kerr | February 13, 2009 09:06 AM

Slowly, but surely, fascism is returning to Italy. The same evils, falsely presented as being for public benefit, are being resurrected.
It is what so many ordinary people want: A smokescreen to hide their own nefarious misbehaviours and dishonest institutions that they can use for personal advantage.
Too many people are wrapped up in their own self interests for the country to ever have a properly functioning democracy.

Posted by: Rolly Wheeler | February 12, 2009 11:48 PM

Watch out Grillo!
With this amendment they intend you to be shut in with the charge of incitement to crime because you advised not to pay Rai Tv licence.

Posted by: alberto arnoldi | February 12, 2009 11:15 PM

Posted by: mureddu giani | February 12, 2009 09:57 PM
caro Bepůn, chi vuoi prendere per il culo?
tu sei maestro per oscurare i commenti scomodi, prova a spiegare perchč le mie "offese" nei tuoi confronti non vengono pubblicate sul sito in italiano.
Fuck you Bepůn.

I think we have freedom of speech in Italy; at least according to current law, and EU law. It's obviously a concept some Italians have a hard time with - they want to ban bad taste because it might conflict with their own stench.
Italy is the true home of "vanity", eh?
Italy seems to be competing for the honour of being the true home of "hypocrisy", "mendacity", "hubris"... especially as far as its politicians are concerned.

Posted by: Peter Vin | February 12, 2009 10:22 PM

The Great Firewall of China is not the only extant example of blackouts such as these. Italy may have gained some inspiration from other countries such as Saudi Arabia, Thailand, and Turkey, among others. Turkey's case is particularly lamented because they aspire to be part of the EU, an example of democracy, yet they regularly censor the most innocuous sites such as YouTube. We get around them anyway, as we did in the People's Republic as well. It's an example of what you, Mr. Beppe, continuously write and fervently believe. Information, for those who want it, can not be hidden. Fearful governments be damned: they'll never give up (is it in their interests?), but neither will we. I love your blog! Grazie mille Beppe!

Posted by: Leah Ashley | February 12, 2009 10:06 PM

Only criminals and tyrants want to protect the public from unflattering opinions and inconvenient truths. As it is the Italian public is, through little fault of its own generally, probably the most ignorant population in Europe thanks to its courageous RAI journalists and the totally unbiased and politically neutral Mediaset.
All Italians need now to complete their education and worldly knowledge is an Internet as free as in China.
Everyone outside Italy knows that the criminal classes are in Government. Everyone knows that Italy's most famous export is the Mafia in all its forms. The stereotypical view of Italy, from the outside, is one of corruption from top to bottom and the intellectually and morally bankrupt politicians want to protect the poor Italian citizens from knowing about it.
The trouble is that's one thing all Italians already do know, even if many of them choose to deny it.
Italy is the true home of "denialism".

Posted by: Peter Vin | February 12, 2009 09:58 PM

Are these guys wearing blackshirts?

If you got the lamp post I got the rope.

Posted by: David B. Monier-Williams | February 12, 2009 09:40 PM

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